Windows 10 [2014 - 2017]

[orangpelupa]

Initial windows 10 impression

---- HORRIBLE ----

its like vista all over again.

1. Driver is a mess (like vista, it refuse to use old driver)
2. Windows suspend and hibernation GONE (vista buggy too)
3. Windows update STUCK in "downloading" and 0%. Checked with "resmon" and windows just sitting idle, no network traffic from updates. Other network like Chrome works.
4. Its SLOW. It even took MINUTES just to list drives on My Computer
5. Super-small taskbar (but it think its scale-able)

Glad i heed SONY's warning "DO NOT UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 10". I cant imagine if my tablet got all of that problems...

@Grall

i just istalled windows 10 and it do hide the "send keyboard type to microsoft" opt-out option.

 

[swaaye]

What am I missing OrangePelupa?

This settings interface gives me a modern desktop Linux vibe when it's on the desktop. In general I feel like this is Win8 + Android + Desktop Linux.

Also, I am using all Win8 drivers on my Dell tablet. It's not running slow on this Atom Z3740D.

 

[AlNom]

i just istalled windows 10 and it do hide the "send keyboard type to microsoft" opt-out option.

It's on one of the first screens if do custom setup at the very beginning.

 

[Malo]

Had to eventually remove my X-Fi for now, I lose sound on reboot and comes back rarely. Switched to the onboard Realtek for now until Creative release official drivers (apparently October).

 

[orangpelupa]

guh. Another bug.

- Resmon is messing with mouse clicks/recognition.
- Windows remote desktop often crash or "busy"

i never got any of those problem in any other windows than 10.

It's on one of the first screens if do custom setup at the very beginning.

the option only appear if did not select express

 

[Malo]

Has anyone tested any games? I just fired up GTA V and I can't push it past 30fps with VSYNC On, whereas Windows 7 would be fairly stable at 60fps at the same settings.

 

[Infinisearch]

Found this quote about windows 10 is it true
" 8 and 16 bit color depth is no longer supported and exclusive fullscreen is no longer allowed for older DX applications"

There is no color depth in display settings and advanced display settings. I fired up thief gold and it seemed to be in full screen mode.

 

[Infinisearch]

What am I missing OrangePelupa?

Click the button "Get to know me", that's where it gave me the option to turn the cortana stuff on.

 

[AlNom]

the option only appear if did not select express

That's kind of normal for exposing advanced options.

 

[orangpelupa]

Normal for those that understand computer.

Common useres will leave everything default. Not knowing ijfirmation gathered.

But common people already easily ignore government surveillance, sosial media information spread, etc.

 

[AlNom]

Probably the same users that don't uncheck the freeware garbage that comes with various installers. I'm not sure these are the people doing a whole system upgrade by themselves, but eh. I don't think it's a huge problem if you take care in what you're clicking on.

 

[zed]

Depending on who you believe, this is already bigger than even the largest of Apple's streaming events.

mate common sense will show this is not the case
A. the number of IOS users able to update is higher than the number of windows users able to FULLSTOP
B. IOS rolls out in a day, windows 10 rolls out over weeks

I am liking the look of win 10 far more than 8 (no crashes yet, a few freezes for some minutes and disk needs to be repaired 3x when I've started the machine, gulp), and does look better than 8 on high DPI, still not perfect though (you would of thought MS would of made all their apps high DPI enabled) I have to say font's do look a lot better on 10 than on 8, even with the same app (chrome)
One question (not really win 10 cause its the same on win 8)
I have 2 monitors hooked up
#1 = 28" 4k displayport
#2 = 24" 1200p hdmi

how to tell windows that #1 is my main device, I assume its not a windows thing but a bios thing. At the moment it treats #2 as the primary monitor, eg when PC starts up, the bios message & opening windows messages are all happening on #2. And once when I started it, only #2 monitor was working.
Surely in 90+% of cases the monitor on DP is going to be the primary monitor, so I can't assume why they default to the HDMI one

edit: as you can see still not 100% highDPI ready (left program aint highDPI ready but the right one is), though it does look a lot better than 8.1 (I would guess they're using a different cleartype method)
btw as you can see it saiz C: needs optimization, is this normal? I've only used a SSD on my laptop (which runs linux) I assume since windows 10 was installed onto an empty SSD it would of 'optimized' (what ever that is) it straight away as that seems logical.

 

[Blazkowicz]

Perhaps Google has a "keylogger" when you use the search bar, on web page or in google chrome : it shows you search results before you're even done typing.

Preview versions of Windows 10 were known to have such a data collecting "feature", might be to acquire data about how people use the search bars, or other "behavioral" data. Yes it is very borderline.
Use duckduckgo search (on the web) if you're concerned about that.
Something I've read too is that Edge logs the searches you do through the URL bar, even if you changed the search engine to something other than Bing.

 

[Grall]

Some more observations:

It's difficult as hell to eyeball which window currently has focus. The active window has a bit thicker dropshadow (which is invisible more or less on dark backgrounds and still not easy to tell apart even on bright ones) and its title text is slightly brighter, but it's a damn tiny difference.

Also, where's my aero glass window transparency effects I was promised*?

*Not promised exactly perhaps, but since they made the taskbar and start menu transparent, what the hell is stopping them with regards to window borders...? Why is it a desktop can only really look good on a friggin Mac?

Something I've read too is that Edge logs the searches you do through the URL bar, even if you changed the search engine to something other than Bing.

THAT would be extraordinarily concerning I would say.

 

[pjbliverpool]

but since they made the taskbar and start menu transparent,

It's not transparent in the final release.

 

[loekf]

Some more observations:
It's difficult as hell to eyeball which window currently has focus. The active window has a bit thicker dropshadow (which is invisible more or less on dark backgrounds and still not easy to tell apart even on bright ones) and its title text is slightly brighter, but it's a damn tiny difference.

Totally agree. I installed Windows 10 on my "el cheapo" HP Stream 11 laptop (was Windows 8.1 with Bing) and my hardly used anymore HTPC (now I have a Nvidia Shield ATV). As some reviewers mentioned the (still) large number of inconsistencies in the UI is mind boggling. You can find up to 5 different context menus, there's the new settings app and the good old control panel, the administrative tools which are still the same since Windows XP etc.

Makes me wonder what all these people at Microsoft are working on for all those years. Is it so hard to make a consistent OS (in terms of UI, look and feel) etc.

Oh and the new start menu. Thank god there's classic shell. And why the hell does the "king of spam" (King) have to be there from the start ?

 

[Grall]

It's not transparent in the final release.

There's a setting for it somewhere in the system settings, and on my system both certainly are quite transparent...

 

[Grall]

the administrative tools which are still the same since Windows XP

I think it actually goes as far back as either Win2000 or even one of the NT versions. This is really, really, REALLY old microsoft code...

And yeah, the UI inconsistencies is incredibly galling. The control panel is a terrible offender this round, with the way it no longer opens in an explorer window if that's where you invoked it from, but instead in its own separate window, and then depending on the setting you want to change it may open additional window(s) - power savings applet is probably the worst offender - up to three separate windows just to edit all available options. Just appallingly bad design really.

It indeed makes you wonder what the fuck they've been doing over there. And you still can't show images as thumbnails without creating those godfuck-accursed superfluous images.db files all over your storage devices as well it seems.

 

[pjbliverpool]

There's a setting for it somewhere in the system settings, and on my system both certainly are quite transparent...

Any idea where that is? I'd like to set that myself. I know you can download third party apps to allow thing like that but I prefer not to. Although I'd bite the bullet if I could get back dreamscene (which was possible under W7).

 

[Grall]

Any idea where that is?

Right-click your desktop, select "Customize" or whatever it is in other languages that lets you set desktop image background and so on. In the list on the left in the window that appears, select "Colors" (for whatever reason). In the center area of the window, tick the switch that says to make taskbar and start menu transparent, if it isn't ticked already.

If it IS ticked (and you're still not getting transparent effects), then I don't know what's going on...

And yeah, to have Dreamscene back would be cool. I haven't used it since WinVista though; didn't even know you could get it to work in Win7...