Sony Playstation Meeting September 7 2016 [PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro, Rumors, Speculations, and News]

I caved and I pre-ordered the thing last night.

My launch PS4 is a jet engine in terms of volume so I had been planning to swap it out for the eventual Slim for past year or so. However, since the pricing of the two models is so close, I find it hard to just go with the Slim. Why not just go for the premium model?

 

Unless you're projector or tv are advertised as HDR10, you're not going to be able to display HDR. Not sure what the limitation would be for projectors. I don't know how they control pixel luminescence anyway.

 

Yah, I've read up on it and I'm not ready to invest in hdr until it's more mature. That's why my tv is probably going to stay with me for another couple of years, at least.

 

Projectors cannot be bright enough for HDR, nor can they do local dimming. The ones that claim to be HDR are just a checkist item with none of the advantages.

I'll stay non-HDR and 1080p for quite a while I guess. Maybe if they make a 100" 4K OLED TV.

 

I'm actually most likely to jump into 4k hdr early if a really nice affordable monitor comes out ... oled would be real nice.

 

excellent info, so a projector is out of my wishlist. I am not in a hurry to buy a new console, but my next electronics purchase, if money permits, is going to be a 4K HDR capable TV, not so big in size, not much bigger than 40", next year if I can afford it.

 

I think it's exactly the reverse. I think demand for consoles is fairly price inelastic, around that $300-$500 point anyway. Somebody going to buy a console is not making a big differentiation in his mind between 300 and 400 dollars IMO (this is precisely the same reason why the slightly better PS4 consistently outsells/sold the XBO at a $50 higher price point).

I've gone on record and I'll do it again, I think PS4 Pro wont just outsell vanilla PS4, I think it will do it by gigantic margins, 4 or 5 to 1. I think almost nobody will see those two on store shelves next to each other and choose the drastically weaker option.

 

I'm surprised some of you are so dour on 4k+HDR Tv purchase. 4k is already ubiquitous and pricing is good and getting better. Not sure what the situation is on HDR. Other concern is input lag.

Maybe by themselves 4k and HDR are not compelling, but put together I can see the seeds of me desiring a new TV in a year or two. Even though my current set still feels new. Dont forget how consoles drive cutting edge TV adoption. 360 really drove a lot of early HDTV adoption back in the day, I was around for that, and was one of those who bought my first HDTV basically for my 360, and I remember so many others were doing the same around then. Dont get me wrong though, I'll definitely wait a year or two for really good deals and things to get sorted, no rush at all.

Heh, I still have that set, purchased in 2006 I think. It's huge for it's 27" size now, I recall it came in a box probably literally as big as 55" TV's come in now (not only was the set big but boxes much more wasteful back then). The bad thing about it was it was right on the cusp of a few things, it was right before the FCC mandated HDTV's have digital tuners, so it didn't. It also didn't have an HDMI input, just VGA, Component, and DVI-D. It also was a straight 720P set (not sure, but I think it was actually 720P and not even a1366X768). Because of lack of HDMI etc it's not very useful as a 2nd set today.

 

DF hands on. Looks pretty good.

 

I am curious about how many NEW units (and users) the PS4 Pro is going to move for Sony. The people who are more interested in it seem to be people that own the PS4 already, some people that wanted a PS4 but were patient enough to wait for it or people who are interested in PSVR. Other than that, it's a halfway console, which has advantages and disadvantages.

I mean, Sony got in an awkward position to promote it and that got reflected in their conference. They wanted to be smart about it. Too much enthusiasm about the Pro and some people would feel mistreated as if their PS4 was inferior, too little enthusiasm and passion is not what people expect either, so they had to be very careful.

 

I heard one of the LG OLEDs was like $2500 or $3000 for awhile recently. That's for 55 inches.

Sony just put out a TV with more local dimming zones than any other. Some people say it's better than the OLED, especially in areas like motion processing. But it's $6000 for a 65-inch model and it doesn't have Dolby Vision.

Towards the end of the year, prices should come down as new models will be shown in January. But there's too much in flux to pay a lot for a high-end set right now.

 

Current OLED's can do DV and HDR10.

I would wait for next year OLED's. If the improvement over the past couple of years are an indication, it should be improve in key areas while being cheaper.

Doing a full A/V refresh next year is likely good timing. Standards will have settled in, prices cheaper, product maturity and better interoperability.

 

Meh , 1TB SSDs are dropping in price all the time . You can get a 1TB SSD for under $200 and I am sure by black Friday they will be under $150. Fall of 2017 and they will be closer to $100. That is of course with multiple hands in the honey pot. For MS buying millions of nand for its consoles will get them cheaper. They are already ikely paying $30 or so for the physical drive so if they can get the ssd for aroun the same price I don't see why they wouldn't include it.

As for Zen its launching this year from what I understand which means AMD will have had a year of being able to tweak it for yields. Vega is launching early 2017 so they will have had time to tweak that. We know that a 8 core 16 thread Zen is coming in at 65-95 watts depending on clock speeds. So with a year of tweaking AMD/ MS should be able to get that rating down and since Zen is more powerful than Jaguar they wont need to clock as high as they would on the desktop .

Polaris just launched what 2 months ago on the pc and its coming out in a nov console

There isn't a reason why devs will stop targeting xbox one esp as there are close to 30m of them out there and still selling. That's a lot of lost sales. Also it shouldn't take much work to tweak a pc port to scorpio to take advantage of its power .

 

why am i the only to want both MS and Sony to succeed with their consoles, and to fight for the first place with great HW and games, to please us all gamers ?

 

I have a mix of thoughts here about ps4pro,since 1977 Im always like and purchase a new hardware can offer,new effects,more power etc.

But I have impression Launch two hardware (psVR and ps4pro both = US$400) almost the same time, it seems a mistake.This market can suport a US$800 + games in so little "timeframe"?

As I posted before...Im still consider a mistake "mid generation upgrades consoles" and much more mistake launch ps4pro despite "secret sauce" upscale hardware ( like Cerny say...Polaris and beyond...) 4x4 checkerboard,Temporal etc with specs so low compared to Scorpio with suposed 6+ Tflops.

If this is a way to make console market grow again,maybe It would been wise decision launch later(march) with a less underclock Polaris 10 (clock 1075MHz+) to reach something like 5/5.5 Tflops (early 3 times gpu power ps4 original) and offer 4k Blu-ray UHD even at US$449.

Perhaps Sony realized that could not offer anything more than jaguar/puma cpus ( and need to maintan compatibility with ps4OG) that make any difference in performance for gpu polaris and save wattage.It seems this ps4pro still with cpu limitation problems.

Well I will not condemn the animal ps4pro,because if one day I am part of less than 5% with 4k HDR panel on the market, maybe I like the idea of implement graphic quality with games setted for 1080/30Hz in "high / ultra" that developers will offer (?) ,cause I prefer to rely on the TV hardware upscaler.

 

You're not. But I'd guess that those who are motivated by self-interest instead of an affinity with or a grudge against a corporation see little reason to engage.

 

If that's the Bravia XD93/XD94 that's flashing bright on my radar. My current Bravia is just two years old and I'd feel pangs of guilt replacing so quickly but I reckon I'd get over it No chance of a covert replacement, it looks nothing like my 49X8505 and it's 6" larger. My girlfriend is bound to notice.

 

Take her on a two week holiday to some of the most incredible places on earth, and get a friend to swap the TVs while you're away. First time she sees it make sure it's playing back 4K photos of your holiday, in the dark so she doesn't look a the stand or bezel.

It can't fail. It just can't. there's no way.

 

Remind her that the difference between a girlfriend and a wife is larger than 6".

 

Yeah all homegames for Maple Leafs, Raptors, Blue Jay's are available in 4K (Sportsnet, TSN)...however I never seen HDR mentioned.