SCEA announces holiday sales figures (PSP: 1.4m, PS2: 1.3m, PS3: 1.2m)

[liolio]

thats probably the US only, and as it shows, up to the end of november. so most likely, its probably around 800-900k. regardless, to repeat myself, my point was that the PS3's 2008 lineup is much better than their 2007 lineup, and thats why i listed them. theres no doubt they are one of the more popular PS3 titles.

I agree with your point, but don't underlook MS line up;
MS had made clear that they have some titles unannounced.
GTA IV which can easily consider as the most wanted game for 2008 comes on the 360.

Andit looks like hardcoregamers are willing for new IP if we judge by their attitude in regard of some titles on the 360.

 

[liolio]

At what point will people stop saying 'just wait for x,y and z'? If the ps3 hasn't caught up to the 360 by the end of 2008 I expect we'll hear about ff, uncharted II, some new R&C game etc. coming in 2009. At what point does it become completely ridiculous and when is it safe to say that the ps3 will never catch the 360 in NA?

IMO, if MS is clever they will cut the price again during the first semester if sales take off...

It's done no matter what Sony will come with for christmass 2008 or later

 

[Pugger]

A few years back I remember seeing stats that console games sales un the UK dwarfed that of France and Germany combined. It's always diffcult to give stats with regards to Europe as specific and accurate sales are normally held within the companies, But the UK is easily the largest of markets in Europe and its where the 360 is the strongest. Considering the strangle hold the PS brand held over the uk in the last gneration the fact the the Wii and 360 have turned this around is pretty astounding and something Sony would never have envisaged as it released the PS3. Most would have expected the PS3 to surpase the 360 numbers in the UK in a matter of months and the Wii wasn't even considered a challenge.

 

[Platon]

IMO, if MS is clever they will cut the price again during the first semester if sales take off...

It's done no matter what Sony will come with for christmass 2008

I wonder if MS would go a cut in price along with the release of GTA IV. It would make some sense. It is during the bit slower part of the year and that could spur sales along with all the fans that want GTA and might then go for the cheaper version possible to play the game...

 

[Laa-Yosh]

Andit looks like hardcoregamers are willing for new IP if we judge by their attitude in regard of some title on the 360.

Yeah, list of million seller new IPs on the X360:

• Assassin's Creed
• Bioshock
• Crackdown
• Dead Rising
• Gears of War
• Lost Planet
• Mass Effect
• Saint's Row
• Viva Pinata

Quite a lot of titles, and combined sales are about 18 million units so far.

Disappointing sales of HS, Uncharted etc. can't be explained with the games being new IP.

 

[TrungGap]

Hardware people make their money by selling hardware for a profit. How can Denon, Samsung, Pioneer, and others profit, if Sony is undercutting them and match them on price with the PS3? $399 is not going to move in 2008. They will value add and other things, but it's not going to drop.

Well, because at this point, good quality games isn't enough to turn the tide. Bundles isn't working, neither. As currently we have a lot of bundles with PS3, already. 2008 is a great year for PS3 in term of titles, so they have to take advantage of this and make a statement and get people's attention. Sony needs to create concerted move with great titles, price and stop selling to the future.

If Sony can't turn the tide in 2008, then at what point can we say it will? The window is closing on the PS3. Every excuse from price to xzy AAA titles have been used.

Yeah, list of million seller new IPs on the X360:

• Assassin's Creed
• Bioshock
• Crackdown
• Dead Rising
• Gears of War
• Lost Planet
• Mass Effect
• Saint's Row
• Viva Pinata

...

Good for it!

 

[one]

Yeah, list of million seller new IPs on the X360:

• Assassin's Creed
• Bioshock
• Crackdown
• Dead Rising
• Gears of War
• Lost Planet
• Mass Effect
• Saint's Row
• Viva Pinata

Quite a lot of titles, and combined sales are about 18 million units so far.

Disappointing sales of HS, Uncharted etc. can't be explained with the games being new IP.

That million-seller list represents "American hardcore gamer" quite well. That much has been expected by the lineage of Xbox 1, the challenge of 360 is how to expand over it.

 

[one]

http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSWEN326420080107

LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - Sony Corp (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research) gaming chief Kaz Hirai hopes to turn a profit on the PlayStation 3 console business in the entertainment conglomerate's next fiscal year, fuelled in part by falling costs for the parts used to make the device.

...

"The next fiscal year starts in April and if we can try to achieve that in the next fiscal year that would be a great thing. We are going through the budgets right now. That (profitability) is not a definite commitment, but that is what I would like to try to shoot for."

...

"Component costs are coming down, and the number of components ... we are seeing a reduction," he said. "The 40 gigabyte PlayStation 3 obviously has fewer components (than more powerful models), and uses less power, which means that components required to dissipate heat, for example, can be smaller, so there is some cost reduction there."

"So costs are coming down significantly," he added, noting that the decline is in line with what the company had expected.

 

[....]

Funny how people can try to explain everything.
The PS3 isn't selling well, several games that should've made an impact have failed to do so, and the 360 is doing pretty well compared to both the Xbox1 and the PS3.
And MS isn't crazy to kill off the console now that it's finally making money, they'll continue to milk it as long as they can.

Honestly, it's reality check time...

If the ps3 sales start overtaking the 360 in the US, again some may find this unlikely, but it's within the realm of possibility. We'll see.

I will say though, it was a bad move for sony not to make gta time exclusive(if they still have a chance, doubt it, they should take it.). Such a move could've been an eye-opener for casuals.

 

[Pugger]

If the ps3 sales start overtaking the 360 in the US, again some may find this unlikely, but it's within the realm of possibility. We'll see.

I will say though, it was a bad move for sony not to make gta time exclusive(if they still have a chance, doubt it, they should take it.). Such a move could've been an eye-opener for casuals.

Lets be honest the 360 is out performing the PS3 on a monthly basis by a large margin. The only way to reduce this is to reduce price and make more games people want available. Well they have cut cost already and its very unlikely they can/or will do it again for the comming year. As for GTA it seems that Sony was the one struggling to get the game at all on PS3. The fact that extra content will be exclusive to 360 will also make this the console of choice for this game for many gamers. Sony have no chance of making this exclusive, none at all.

 

[Crossbar]

Well they have cut cost already and its very unlikely they can/or will do it again for the comming year.

I don´t agree.

That is the kind of statement people kept saying last year as well and Sony reduced the price twice and I think we are likely to see that scenario in the coming year as well.

Sony has started mass-production of 65 nm RSX which has not reached the assembly lines yet (maybe they have, we´ll see within a few months), they have already finished the 45 nm Cell design which should go into mass-production during this year.

We got this statement from Kaz:

"Component costs are coming down, and the number of components ... we are seeing a reduction," he said. "The 40 gigabyte PlayStation 3 obviously has fewer components (than more powerful models), and uses less power, which means that components required to dissipate heat, for example, can be smaller, so there is some cost reduction there."

"So costs are coming down significantly," he added, noting that the decline is in line with what the company had expected.

I wouldn´t be surprised if the PS3 reached $300 before the end of year.

Edit: the volumes of blu-ray drives are set to increase as well due to the recent events, which should help lower the price of the OD.

 

[Archgamer]

No ratchet was the other that is 3 then with UT3.

I am not sure I would call selling less than MS did last year during the holidays with a price drop and all 3 AAA exclusives market acceptance. I would say beating the 360 in a month would be market acceptance since they are so close in price point now.

Then I guess the Genesis wasn't market acceptance IYO. Xbox 1 didn't gain market acceptance either especially in the US and getting beat by the PS2 by almost 100 million units worldwide.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

That million-seller list represents "American hardcore gamer" quite well. That much has been expected by the lineage of Xbox 1, the challenge of 360 is how to expand over it.

I'd say the more important challenge is for the PS3, to match that list with its own as soon as possible... Xbox will do fine if it can keep selling to the same market segment, they'll make a nice profit even without reaching the casual crowd that's currently owned by the Wii.

 

[Archgamer]

A few years back I remember seeing stats that console games sales un the UK dwarfed that of France and Germany combined. It's always diffcult to give stats with regards to Europe as specific and accurate sales are normally held within the companies, But the UK is easily the largest of markets in Europe and its where the 360 is the strongest. Considering the strangle hold the PS brand held over the uk in the last gneration the fact the the Wii and 360 have turned this around is pretty astounding and something Sony would never have envisaged as it released the PS3. Most would have expected the PS3 to surpase the 360 numbers in the UK in a matter of months and the Wii wasn't even considered a challenge.

The UK is the largest market in Europe. But the question should be, how is the PS3 selling in comparison to the 360 there? If the gap isn't really huge then the numbers in the UK is insignificant in comparison to whole Europe where Sony has France, Germany, Italy and especially Spain. Spain is entirely Sony land and from my understanding people there also prefer it over a Wii. All the smaller countries seems to side with the PS3 > 360 as well.

There was an article I read recently that Uncharted has actually held the number 1 spot in the UK game sales for some time in December. This leads me to believe that Uk gamers likes the PS3 more then people in the US.

 

[AntShaw]

That million-seller list represents "American hardcore gamer" quite well. That much has been expected by the lineage of Xbox 1, the challenge of 360 is how to expand over it.

Isn't that kind of the point? To release games that the console owners want to buy? Thats a rather diverse list of games, with Bioshock being the only true FPS.

Add to the fact that they are new IP's as well.

 

[Laa-Yosh]

You've probably missed a number from the Uncharted data, its position is number 13-15 usually.

 

[Pugger]

Crossbar the price drop and the fact Sony hastily had to put put together 40GB sku were required because it was not selling at all. If had sold we would have seen neither.
The new price and 40GB SKU is more than likely what the coming years P&L have been based on and I assume this would also take into account cheaper component coming online in that period. As that article states, they hope to make a profit, I'd be shocked if they have much room fo manouvre on price now.

 

[inefficient]

There was an article I read recently that Uncharted has actually held the number 1 spot in the UK game sales for some time in December. This leads me to believe that Uk gamers likes the PS3 more then people in the US.

Ya, that story was incorrect. It was the #1 PS3 game. Not the #1 game.

 

[one]

I'd say the more important challenge is for the PS3, to match that list with its own as soon as possible...

Probably that's the market 3rd party publishers want to take for PS3. In your list, there are games released in 2006 when PS3 was not around but today sequels of them will be on PS3 too.

 

[Vic]

The UK is the largest market in Europe. But the question should be, how is the PS3 selling in comparison to the 360 there? If the gap isn't really huge then the numbers in the UK is insignificant in comparison to whole Europe where Sony has France, Germany, Italy and especially Spain. Spain is entirely Sony land and from my understanding people there also prefer it over a Wii. All the smaller countries seems to side with the PS3 > 360 as well.

There was an article I read recently that Uncharted has actually held the number 1 spot in the UK game sales for some time in December. This leads me to believe that Uk gamers likes the PS3 more then people in the US.

360 has done well here in relation to other European countries, but figures from October last year had the PS3 edging it in sales. Sony needs to bring out GT Prologue and MGS 4 to widen that gap. Certainly, the Playstation brand is very strong here, and many people want PS3's because they had PS2's previously.