Red Dead Redemption 2

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  1. Sigfried1977

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    Too high of a density is a thing, though. AC Unity absolutely fell victim to that mentality. There was so much copy-pasted shit in the game that you couldn't view the map properly without disabling icons. And just to make sure you'd never ever take in that gorgeous rendition of Paris in a moment of peace and quiet, the game would spawn in pick pockets close to your location about once in every one, maybe two, minutes.

    And if you want to have a convincing open world, especially one which closely resemebles reality, you simply need a certain amount of square miles. A Grand Canyon-like structure you could traverse in a minute or two just wouldn't be believable.
     
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    So it seems Rockstar were at a convention this week and resetera appear convinced that Rockstar confirmed the rumours that the map leaked earlier this year, which shows all/most of Red Dead Redemption's map being part of RDR2's map, are indeed true.

    If so.. wow. Sure, PlayStation Access reported that the map was the largest Rockstar had ever done but even so. Read Dead Redemption's map is huge, particularly when traversing on something no faster than a horse. The new areas of the map look to be about twice the size of the original game (more or less).

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    It certainly looks huge but there's no real scale to compare anything.
     
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    People are comparing it to the scale of the original game.

    Granted it'd be interesting if someone overlaid a mile/km ruler thing on the map to give a sense of scale to those of us who haven't played RDR.

    If the new area is 2x the old area (which is analogous to the RDR map) then that is potentially 3x the size of RDR.

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    Yup. And games are really good at inflating scale. The city of Los Santos in GTA V feels insanely huge, there are distinct neighbourhoods that feel quite sizeable and the Vespucci beach area feels large even though you can cycle (bicycle) along it in a few real minutes. Games conflate space and time (by making day/night cycles pass quicker) which fool the player into a larger sense of scale than is really present. In a fast car can you circle the main highway in GTA V in around 12 minutes but it feels longer and 12 minutes going flat out, is quite a long time to be travelling non-stop in any game except a massive MMORPG like WoW before you flew everywhere.

    Your can run across Fallout 4's map, corner-to-coner, in 13 minutes if you ignore everything around you but the game still feels massive and full of space yet actually everything is pretty close to other things.

    Damn tricksy devs. :yep2: But this is the right call. Anybody who has played Just Cause 3 knows that too large a world with nothing interesting in it is just dull.
     
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    Man, this makes me gasp all over again at how large Vanguard was. Using a land bound mount like a horse, it would take you multiple hours (I think 10+ IIRC) to ride and boat across the entire map.

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    The same was true in the first MMORPG I ever played, EverQuest, where a journey across the realm could literally take hours working around dangerous areas. Worse, if your internet connection (or HDD) was slow and you were using boats, you could die because your equipment could not keep up with changes on the server.

    In a way I kind of miss this but equally, as somebody who has very little time to spend gaming, the changes are good. it's a fine line between making a world feel open and spacious to empty and boring. It's the difference between GTA V and Just Cause 3 and yet Just Cause 3's world was absolutely beautiful but 20 minutes realtime just moving between two points is stupid.
     
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    Sean Macguire “Just leave it to me. I can talk a dog off a meat wagon.”
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    superb one liner character descriptions.
    Strange that we still don't have any real story trailers for this and it is release time already. R* somehow seems to not have managed the marketing for this title well at all. No gameplay, no story trailers and we are in the release month already.
     
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    Eh? They've dropped four videos and while the first was only showing off the new tech, trailers 2 and 3 were focussed on the story - well as much as Rockstar ever reveal in story trailers. They're mostly scene-setting with lots of cutscenes mixed together but with no context - exactly what they did for GTA IV and GTA V :yes:

    Sorry man but this game doesn't launch until the end of next month - that's seven weeks away. And what about the PS4 Pro six minute gameplay video they released four weeks back? We're likely to get one more trailer nearer release if past marketing campaigns are anything to go by.
     
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    Red Dead Redemption shows us its cities, villages and border settlements in pictures.

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    I had confused it with launching in September.

    But still I am not at all happy with how little we know about the game just a month before launch. Has anyone seen any one full mission of the game? Has anyone seen any important story beat/cutscene? nope. Has anyone seen any side quest or open world activity being played? nope.
    Maybe I am not that enlightened about its marketing, but to me its just a sequel to a great game.
    Anyways, dont mean to rant, but I usually know a TON more about a game before someone asks me to put in my money....and time.
     
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    Maybe they're trying a slightly different approach. GTAV has proven that you can sell plenty of copies over plenty of years, and if they have another sustaining online component, they can reasonably expect a similar sales trajectory.
     
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    Rockstar is a different kind of company. If you'll look back on Red Dead Redemption or GTA V, they have shown a pattern of being stingy with their marketing prior to launch. They think they can get away with it & so far I don't see how they're wrong. People are going to buy it regardless. I suspect they have enough pre-order numbers to know if they need to start hyping the game more. They did push back the pre-order bonus deadlines a couple weeks into August. I believe they did that since they hadn't shown any gameplay yet. With the game just over 5 weeks away I think we'll start seeing more details drip out each week now.

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    Can't wait!!!

    The first one was one of the few open world games I liked/like.

    Looks amazing as well.
     
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    Yup and this was worked well for them in the past. It's RDR2 by Rockstar so you already know the broad-strokes of how it will play. Personally I like discovering and experiencing all the little things myself when I play rather than have hours and hour (sometimes days) of pre-release footage and full mission play throughs by gaming sites and youtubers way in advance.

    The last trailer was all gameplay, rather than what appear to be cut scenes that seem to comprise the earlier trailers, but only snippets. At the end of the last trailer, they mention more information in the next trailer.
     
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    Rockstar are one of the few companies where you essentially know what you're going to get. Also, I think the lack of knowledge breeds excitement.

    "Interestingly" I had no interest in RDR as I didn't like GTA so didn't want to play "Grand Theft Horsey", however once out and I heard about it I wanted in...glad I did, one of the best games last gen and will get this day one regardless of previews.
     
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    Same here, don't like GTAs, so was wary of it, but RDR was great. I am getting this one, of course, but still I would have liked to know more of the story/characters/missions/side-missions uptill now.
    BTW, R* has announced Red Dead Online finally. launching in November.
     
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