PS Business Briefing 2006 March official info

[liolio]

the bad thing are here :
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2493&Itemid=2

i know i have post this twice lol, but the delay is a miss for the whole industry...
ML have already state that delay is a bad new for gaming industry, *****y have only see the ps3 xbox360 pathetic war in regard of investisors....

 

[liolio]

Where exactly did that number of 1 million at launch come from? I think I missed that somewhere.

From nowhere i would say between 1 or 2 millions spread between NA Asia Europe
6 millions PS3 in march 07
march 07 1 million
february 1million
january 1 million
december 1 million
November launch 2 millions
And even if Sony do really well there will be slightly less than 6 millions nothing can go perfect

 

[Carl B]

the bad thing are here :
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2493&Itemid=2

i know i have post this twice lol, but the delay is a miss for the whole industry...
ML have already state that delay is a bad new for gaming industry, *****y have only see the ps3 xbox360 pathetic war in regard of investisors....

This is nothing new though - there's always an industry dip 'in between' gens. For it's part, Microsoft's effort has been pretty good about keeping the software sales strong on their side of the coin. But since these Sony devs wouldn't have been ready to release their games in Spring of '06 anyway, not sure how it matters, or how it would have changed much of anything.

I mean a Spring launch would be better for the industry than a Fall launch, but hasn't the consensus been that the games simply aren't ready? And in that context, I don't see it's effect as being material so much as perceived.

 

[dukmahsik]

okay so the HDD maybe required to play games BUT maybe not included.

So PS3 MAYBE a cheap BD player and you'll need to buy HDD to play games?

 

[Synergy34]

From nowhere i would say between 1 or 2 millions spread between NA Asia Europe
6 millions PS3 in march 07
march 07 1 million
february 1million
january 1 million
december 1 million
November launch 2 millions
And even if Sony do really well there will be slightly less than 6 millions nothing can go perfect

Ah, Ok, I see. I would agree that a million is pretty low considering production is supposedly ramping up in June.

You would think that at least 500K for each region should be the very least amount for anyone region.

 

[liolio]

This is nothing new though - there's always an industry dip 'in between' gens. For it's part, Microsoft's effort has been pretty good about keeping the software sales strong on their side of the coin. But since these Sony devs wouldn't have been ready to release their games in Spring of '06 anyway, not sure how it matters, or how it would have changed much of anything.

I mean a Spring launch would be better for the industry than a Fall launch, but hasn't the consensus been that the games simply aren't ready? And in that context, I don't see it's effect as being material so much as perceived.

i agree but investisor don't think that way this year the growth of the market will slow, a thing investisors hate
Sony is somewhat responsible they haven't shipped devs kits in time...
Even if the devs and editors know that before us (no final dev kit) if a developement have started 1 or 2 years ago they still have to wait/work 6 more month and in regard to user base it's not that profitable.
INvestisors put money on a growing market game whatever the situation is profitable or not to Sony, MS and Editors, they're not concerned they want growth.
I agree with you as far as the console war is concerned, but from a highter point of delay is bad

 

[Carl B]

An Intel employee at AVSFORUM, who claims to know some people, said the manufacturing of the Cell has been "challenging." Based on this info. and what he knows about manufacturing new microprocessors, he believes there's more to it than the Blu-Ray drive/AACS.

He's in their manufacturing group and he posted this before Sony made these announcements.

Since you raised it, does he mention what the issue is though Wco? I mean Intel is pretty 'anti' Cell just in general, but I won't say that that's effected this guys commentary. Still that said, I'd be curious to know exactly what the issue is. Is it meeting a certain bin target like Gubbi posited, or is the issue elsewhere? Certainly I maintain that there's no way things could be worse than EE and GS back in the day, but if this Intel dude's got insights, I'm all for insights.

 

[Nesh]

Indeed. This could still mean some slight upgrade in specs though...

And what about those reports about final devkits that shipped in January?

Edit - one, any thoughts on this? There are some signs there I can't read.

Maybe thei ment that they will ship the final final dev kits to developers that didnt have them already

 

[Carl B]

i agree but investisor don't think that this year the growth of the market will slow, athing investisor hate
Sony is somewhat responsible they haven't shipped devs kits in time...
Even if the devs and editors know that before us (no final dev kit) if a developement have started 1 or 2 years ago they still have to wait/work 6 more month and in regard to user base it's not that profitable.
INvestisors put money on a growing market game whatever the situation is profitable or not to Sony, MS and Editors, they're not concerned they want growth.
I agree with you as far as the console war is concerned, but from a highter point of delay is bad

Investors are idiots, and I can feel confident saying that since I'm one myself.

Yes I agree they will react to this news - as they should perhaps - but they should have been out of the video game industry long ago to tell you the turth, especially if they knew anything about it's trends. Maybe buy in Q3 of this year... endure a little more pain... but that should be near the low point for their cycle I imagine before a climb back next year.

 

[bbot]

I think that Ken meant that a hdd is required to get extra functionality. If you don't have a hdd, you'll still be able to play games. You just won't get the additional features such as enhanced game play, you won't get network gaming, you won't be able to use your console as a server.

 

[liolio]

Investors are idiots, and I can feel confident saying that since I'm one myself.

Yes I agree they will react to this news - as they should perhaps - but they should have been out of the video game industry long ago to tell you the turth, especially if they knew anything about it's trends. Maybe buy in Q3 of this year... endure a little more pain... but that should be near the low point for their cycle I imagine before a climb back next year.

I agree
Off topic i think more and more investisors become too concerned by short term forgeting mid and long terms. Video game is nowhere near saturation billions if chinese and indians will ask for game while their economy go better and better.

 

[Nesh]

Ms said "develop as if the HD WONT be present".

Regardless, there is no way I see PS3 launching with HDD standard. It's too expensive.

Titanio, I dont believe consoles REQUIRE memory cards to function. MS even mentioned, people who say play one game of Madden at a time and NEVER save are supposedly a big market. Some people they never expect to but mem cards either. Some people dumb as it sounds will simply never save a game. At least that's what I infered from what others said MS said back then.

Thats not true.Its irrational to believe there are gamers that own a console for a long time and buy games never want to save their progress in any game.
Taking madden and generalizing it just to claim as proof that there are many many many people that dont save their games (forgive me for the expression) is stupid.
Unless that "big market" they were refering to bought a console just for madden or sports games and dont give a damn about other games.Which again is stupid since XBOX and 360 have many good games(that are impossible to finish without saves) that make most owners of these consoles salivate all over them.Me included.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

This "news" is more misinformation than anything else IMO.

Sony will push out about 3 million units this year and will be extremely supply limited in all three major markets. We don't even know the price yet or whether an HDD will be standard (not likely IMO). All we do know is that they lied to everyone last E3 about a Spring launch (even implying that it would be in NA as well) and IMO they are probably lying to us right now.

I'd really like to see some actual gameplay footage and a final price before getting all excited about this delay.

 

[dukmahsik]

This "news" is more misinformation than anything else IMO.

Sony will push out about 3 million units this year and will be extremely supply limited in all three major markets. We don't even know the price yet or whether an HDD will be standard (not likely IMO). All we do know is that they lied to everyone last E3 about a Spring launch (even implying that it would be in NA as well) and IMO they are probably lying to us right now.

I'd really like to see some actual gameplay footage and a final price before getting all excited about this delay.

World wide launch for PS3 is a STUPID idea because:

- there will be massive shortages (even more than 360)
- 360 will have more compelling lineup, better looking games
- 360 will likely be much cheaper and AVAILABLE
- parents walk into store: can't find a damn ps3 anywhere, looks at 360, same games (mult-console), more games, CHEAPER, AVAILABLE, buys 360 instead.

 

[Brimstone]

I really like the Sony focus on building things the right way. Next Gen HDMI for good visual output with Blu-Ray, a HDD as standard so developers know they can take advantage of it to stream levels from (Grand Theft Auto with a large city streaming from the HDD), a online service like X-Box LIVE, a Next Gen optical format so not only games are High Defintion but so are movies you play on it.

The lack of bandwidth for RSX still bugs me a lot. The most critical component of the system, the GPU, and Sony takes their foot off the gas pedal. I wouldn't mind paying $600 for the PS3 if it had Rambus XDR for the GPU memory. Instead the PS3 has a GPU crippled by the lack of bandwidth from a 128 bit bus with GDDR-3.

Anyone my new geek dream is to plug a PS3 into a Sony SXRD HDTV with LED backlighting and a CELL processor on board.

 

[StefanS]

World wide launch for PS3 is a STUPID idea because:

- there will be massive shortages (even more than 360)
- 360 will have more compelling lineup, better looking games
- 360 will likely be much cheaper and AVAILABLE
- parents walk into store: can't find a damn ps3 anywhere, looks at 360, same games (mult-console), more games, CHEAPER, AVAILABLE, buys 360 instead.

Why do you post the exact same post in two different threads???

 

[Carl B]

This "news" is more misinformation than anything else IMO.

Sony will push out about 3 million units this year and will be extremely supply limited in all three major markets. We don't even know the price yet or whether an HDD will be standard (not likely IMO). All we do know is that they lied to everyone last E3 about a Spring launch (even implying that it would be in NA as well) and IMO they are probably lying to us right now.

I'd really like to see some actual gameplay footage and a final price before getting all excited about this delay.

You probably won't get the price before E3, if not months later, and gameplay before E3 is unlikely. I can understand the cynical stance of some, but why rage against the machine? What will be, will be. I honestly don't think Sony 'lied' with the E3 claims of last year; I'm sure they were fully aiming for a Spring '06 launch. But for whatever the reason, they have missed it. If they screw up in November too it won't be a matter of Sony 'lies,' it'll be an indicator of some whack internal projection capabilities over on their end.

@4D: Why do people obsess over the most inconsequential Kutaragi'isms? Is '4D' seriously what you walked away from this thing thinking about? It's hyperbole, not a spec.

 

[Cobra101]

World wide launch for PS3 is a STUPID idea because:


- parents walk into store: can't find a damn ps3 anywhere, looks at 360, same games (mult-console), more games, CHEAPER, AVAILABLE, buys 360 instead.

Well, maybe the parent will see the $99 PS2 on the shelf, see its less than a X360, see that its games will run on the PS3 latter and buy the PS2.

Win for Sony.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

Suuuuuuuure. Killzone footage wasn't a lie. Playable at TGS wasn't a lie. February conference wasn't a lie. Spring launch wasn't a lie. LOL.

It's MOSTLY lies from KK. Even now he's saying HDD standard when he's on the podium, but then backing away from that in interviews. I'm just surprised that people on this forum are so gullible to believe all the lies from KK and Sony.

 

[Nesh]

Is it me or there is some trolling appearance increasing as time passes in this thread??