PS Business Briefing 2006 March official info

[liolio]

He says explicitly that they're asking devs to develop as if HDD is in every system INSTEAD of developing for systems with or without a HDD. Rather than develop for both, develop just as if the HDD is there in every system.



Game booting could be 'just' a service like the PSone service on PSP, or XBL type games etc. But even if it meant you could copy PS3 games to it (though I really know what you'd want to..), you'd still require the BD disc to get the game in the first place.

agreed i was editing my post because i've think the same by myself

 

[StefanS]

Guys, before picking words, it'd be well advised to check the original quotes because translation normally loses information and the semantics you're arguing over might actually be very clear in the original context.

 

[pipo]

It just says the same thing as the above line. Probably there are games that don't require network in PS3.

As for entitlement management, it says "management of the rights to use contents" so I suppose it's about the right to re-download what you once purchased for free, etc.

Thanks again.

It could also have something to do with the parental controls I guess...

Edit - As for the network, this doesn't sound like they'll have some sort of (X360) dashboard/guide planned. We'll see.

 

[Farid]

Playing games directky fromm hdd screams for HUGE PIRACY ISSUE.

No. The executables on an Optical Disk or on a HDD are still signed. It's no more an issue than the optical disk piracy.

Cell, just like Xenon, has hardwired DRM-like functions.

 

[liolio]

No. The executables on an Optical Disk or on a HDD are still signed. It's no more an issue than the optical disk piracy.

Cell, just like Xenon, has hardwired DRM-like functions.

thanks for the responce
I wasn't trying to be polemic, my question just needed a clear answer, your is

 

[Deepak]

AFAIK no. The news about the price is big, if they indicated something about it, isn't it strange that no media are evaluating that statement by now? Especially analysts and economists.

Here is one Analyst

A leading analyst says PlayStation 3's delay could prompt Microsoft to seek to sabotage the launch with the timely release of its key Xbox 360 title Halo 3.

Hiroshi Kamide, analyst at KBC Securities in Tokyo said, "The Xbox 360 will now have had a year’s head start. The danger is that they could target very big-hitting titles at the launch of the PS3 just to sabotage it. If they release Halo 3 – Microsoft’s biggest selling game – timed to PS3, that will be quite damaging for Sony."

 

[Titanio]

He views it as mandatory. I believe his context has been taken out in the reporting. The context would be mandatory for the "enhanced" PS3 experience. There will also be a "tard" PS3 experience. However, making the "enhanced" so compelling would mean most would go for the HDD...

I'm predicating it all on the GS reporting and its accuracy. If it's not entirely accurate, so be it, we'll see what gets said subsequently. I think Phil Harrison would have an opportunity to make this clearer next week.

Here is one Analyst

A leading analyst says PlayStation 3's delay could prompt Microsoft to seek to sabotage the launch with the timely release of its key Xbox 360 title Halo 3.

Hiroshi Kamide, analyst at KBC Securities in Tokyo said, "The Xbox 360 will now have had a year’s head start. The danger is that they could target very big-hitting titles at the launch of the PS3 just to sabotage it. If they release Halo 3 – Microsoft’s biggest selling game – timed to PS3, that will be quite damaging for Sony."

"Sabotaging" the PS3 launch will not really be possible.

 

[Phil]

He views it as mandatory. I believe his context has been taken out in the reporting. The context would be mandatory for the "enhanced" PS3 experience. There will also be a "tard" PS3 experience. However, making the "enhanced" so compelling would mean most would go for the HDD...

It's not as clear as you make it. Which goes back to my comment about standard vs. required...

Perhaps the context has gone missing, but as a developer - if Sony tells me that I should develop my games "as though all PS3s have the HDD installed", I will definately take that as an invitation to assume it's there for any use that I find useful for my game. If I follow that advice, I can assure that if the HD is not present, that it won't work.

This to me sounds as if it is manditory. Though I agree that they could be leaving a bit of wiggle room. At the moment though - I am going to assume HD will be required (without the context you are putting it in) for every PS3 and that they won't work without.

 

[liolio]

another one from the same site
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2493&Itemid=2

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Here is one Analyst

Hiroshi Kamide, analyst at KBC Securities in Tokyo said, "The Xbox 360 will now have had a year’s head start. The danger is that they could target very big-hitting titles at the launch of the PS3 just to sabotage it. If they release Halo 3 – Microsoft’s biggest selling game – timed to PS3, that will be quite damaging for Sony."

Yeah right. Whatever launches alongside PS3 is going to go unnoticed more likely. Halo3 should launch when it's ready, when there's no PS3 around, and be a fantastic game to drum up interest in XB360 and drive sales before PS3 appears. Nothing is going to stop PS3's launch extravaganza (except an insane pricepoint). The important point is to capture those thinking of getting a PS3 before they hav the chance to. Once PS3 is out you're going head to head and lost the 'only option available' advantage.

 

[pipo]

"Sabotaging" the PS3 launch will not really be possible.

QFT.

I would be very surprised to see Halo 3 this year...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

"Sabotaging" the PS3 launch will not really be possible.

You could blow up the blue laser diode factory needed for the BRD drives. Or interfere with the AACS thing so it's delayed another year. Or hack the masters of the firmware or HDD installations so they're corrupted and the launch is of a million non-functioning PS3s. I'm sure there's lots more ways to sabotage the launch

 

[j^aws]

Perhaps the context has gone missing, but as a developer - if Sony tells me that I should develop my games "as though all PS3s have the HDD installed", I will definately take that as an invitation to assume it's there for any use that I find useful for my game. If I follow that advice, I can assure that if the HD is not present, that it won't work.

This is why it's conflicting with the "enhanced" gameplay slide and saying it's "required". And the message isn't as clear as some make it. Although I agree with the above, I don't think you can take for granted a HDD enhanced game wouldn't work on a PS3 without a HDD. We don't know what these enhancements are...

This to me sounds as if it is manditory. Though I agree that they could be leaving a bit of wiggle room. At the moment though - I am going to assume HD will be required (without the context you are putting it in) for every PS3 and that they won't work without.

I'm just gonna let the dust settle, 'coz all to often, a media blitz can send a contradictory message and misinterpretation...

 

[Nite_Hawk]

No. The executables on an Optical Disk or on a HDD are still signed. It's no more an issue than the optical disk piracy.

Cell, just like Xenon, has hardwired DRM-like functions.

This is probably my biggest question right now about the PS3, even over the price of the unit. I *want* to do dev work on the PS3. It sounds like an absolutely fantastic system to do develop 3D linux applications on. EGL, collada, GCC support for cell, etc etc. All of this is worthless to me if they don't let you run self-signed binaries. They'll earn a metric shitload of hate with the linux community if they enforce draconian DRM policies as well.

My hope, is that the PSP hacks have actually helped them sell units, and that they've been paying attention. Ultimatley I'd be most happy if they required sony-signed DRM for games (I believe that games run under a propriatary OS, not linux?) and either have no DRM, or self-signed DRM under linux.

Nite_Hawk

 

[Deepak]

I would stick to Jaws's line of thinking, I think Sony has cleverly left the HDD option open. HDD may or may not be compulsary for playing game eventually, one could interprete Kutaragi's comments in either way.

 

[Crossbar]

Here are all slides:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060315/psm1.htm

Sorry if it's been posted before, just saw some random slides when scanning through the thread.

 

[Npl]

You could blow up the blue laser diode factory needed for the BRD drives. Or interfere with the AACS thing so it's delayed another year. Or hack the masters of the firmware or HDD installations so they're corrupted and the launch is of a million non-functioning PS3s. I'm sure there's lots more ways to sabotage the launch

I think Billy Boy is worth 50 Billions - he could nap the first 100 Million PS3s. This would put Sonys aim to sell 200 Mio PS3s in a whole different light

 

[expletive]

Yeah right. Whatever launches alongside PS3 is going to go unnoticed more likely. Halo3 should launch when it's ready, when there's no PS3 around, and be a fantastic game to drum up interest in XB360 and drive sales before PS3 appears. Nothing is going to stop PS3's launch extravaganza (except an insane pricepoint). The important point is to capture those thinking of getting a PS3 before they hav the chance to. Once PS3 is out you're going head to head and lost the 'only option available' advantage.

Sony will sell every unit it can produce for holiday 2006. The real question is how many can be ready in each region for launch and up through Christmas?

I think what MS would want to do is have a really compelling alternative for those who cant get a PS3 this holiday season. The question i would have is, do they need Halo3 to do that?

I think their ideal scenario is to have games like GoW, BD, Too Human, Crackdown, etc. be great and fill that bill, then once the PS3 launch frenzy has died down, release Halo 3 to get a big bump in hardware sales sometime in early 2007.

Obviously nothing is going to prevent the few million PS3s from being sold, however they do need to maximize the fact that once the PS3 sells out, they'll have no competition this holiday season (discounting Rev in this discussion) and need to maximize that.

 

[pipo]

I think their ideal scenario is to have games like GoW, BD, Too Human, Crackdown, etc. be great and fill that bill, then once the PS3 launch frenzy has died down, release Halo 3 to get a big bump in hardware sales sometime in early 2007.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[wco81]

RSX is in the present iteration of the dev kits; all that the 'final' versions are missing - to our knowledge - are the Blu-ray drives and whatever Cell and RSX revisions Sony may have seen fit to make pre PS3 launch. But the fabs for the chips are online and churning is the word. Obviously for Cell they have been for quite some time now.

An Intel employee at AVSFORUM, who claims to know some people, said the manufacturing of the Cell has been "challenging." Based on this info. and what he knows about manufacturing new microprocessors, he believes there's more to it than the Blu-Ray drive/AACS.

He's in their manufacturing group and he posted this before Sony made these announcements.