Anything less than 599 is fair game though.
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Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech
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Anything less than 599 is fair game though.
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I'm not getting my hopes up for any 4TFLOP systems, that's way too unrealistic IMO. Considering how a ~2TFLOP system would still give us next gen results, I don't think MS or Sony would spend the extra money when they don't have to.
Yeah, catching up to this thread, I saw ERP saying the same thing a few pages back. Never really thought about it, but considering what we did end up with in the 360, it's not surprising. Thinking about it more, I guess the same thing happened with whatever Kojima demoed MGS4 on.
Really hope it doesn't happen again.
Do you have a link where this "4T,6G,13" quote is coming from?
Yeah, catching up to this thread, I saw ERP saying the same thing a few pages back. Never really thought about it, but considering what we did end up with in the 360, it's not surprising. Thinking about it more, I guess the same thing happened with whatever Kojima demoed MGS4 on.
Really hope it doesn't happen again.
So "4T,6G,13" is supposed to mean, a 4Tflop system (CPU+GPU), 6Gbyte RAM for games and year 2013
Do you have a link where this "4T,6G,13" quote is coming from?
Man, my VP would have had that place locked down in no time. We're under lock and key here. Nothing draconian, but I would have thought that'd be standard at a big operation like Microsoft.
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I'd be very pleased with a ~2.5 TFlops machine. I'd probably base most of my gaming around that instead of a top-end PC. I would imagine that most games will be developed around the next-gen consoles, as we saw with this current gen, or am I wrong?
One of the better aspects of MS culture, is it's very much a culture of trust. Most of the corporate policies are based on the assumption that employees can be trusted. My current employer by comparison seems to assume that you are out to extort every dime you can out of you expense report or purchase order.
The original XBox group were in a separate section of Building C? that required special authorization to enter, but it's unusual. Most blue badges will get you in any building in the same City.
Of course locking down the areas still means cleaners have access, but it does reduce the foot traffic.
The campus I'm in is multiple labs and buildings, and in general you can walk around the campus freely, but a lot of labs with new development have restricted access. People are trusted not to talk in public about what they're working on. That's about as far as it goes. Our angry VP does make some thinly-veiled threats about the repercussions of talking about things to other employees, or even to your spouse. Talking to vendors is weird, because we're not allowed to tell the vendors what we're using the parts for. We just give them the spec they want, but we're not allowed to talk to them about projects, or mention codenames. Vendors can't come into our lab at all. Other groups seem to be a little less strict about that.
Outside the threats, and I wouldn't rule it out for some VP's, most of that would be similar at MS or anywhere else for that matter, it's just unusual to have access restricted to an area, though as I pointed out above there are exceptions.
Where I currently work we have varying degrees of confidential/secret and what's at what level changes as development progresses, it's just easier to treat everything as need to know and be very careful if your talking to someone who might not be disclosed.
The don't speak to your spouse one, I wonder how many people respect it, I personally never discuss work at home, but that's more because I naturally compartmentalize and it's not an interesting conversation to have with my gf.
The spouse comment came out of people in tech, from different companies, tending to travel in the same circles. So if you mention something to your spouse, and you go to some kind of party or event together, you never know who your spouse may talk to that works in the same industry. I imagine it's a rule that is broken quite often. We were told all kinds of horror stories about leaks and "espionage" taking place in bars, parties and other casual environments. I have no idea if any of them are true, but I guess that stolen iPhone sort of proved the idea to be true.
Its undeniable that MS and AMD have much closer relationship, and if MS wants to spend money, they both can came up to some amazing hardware. For a long time we heard rumors that X720 will be mid-powered media/kinect centered box, and now there is much more ramblings about "powerhouse". It would be great if they add dedicated gpu in the mix, but even high-end APU design could deliver respectable 2 TeraGoogolplexFLOPs. But... I would not be satisfied with 2T box that has 1/4 or 1/3 of its hw/ram dedicated to Kinect2 and OS.
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2.5 Tflops will barely get the console to 1080p, it's a leap on paper but not so much visually. If the initial target on paper of the xbox 720 was to be 8 times then they should keep up on updating that sheet. my advice to Microsoft is for them to book some exclusive tech and invest on "strong" and "prone to overheating" topics. .....and full Windows 8 functionality out of the box, if possible.
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for the games that are out maybe. that's like saying the 360 has enough power to run games at 1080p, and yeah it actually could, if it looked like a ps2 and GC game. with 2.5 Tflops it would do skyrim at 1080p but what about elder scrolls 6 and 7?
what about star wars 1313? SD right? and that's coming sometime next year or the year after.
As i presumed, the stats would look decent but how the next 7 years of games would stack up against the last 7 years is what i'm thinking.
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We've had the usual security common to all MS buildings for a long time, but this is the first time that I know of that the xbox org is restricting access to other employees.
The original xbox team was completely off campus in an office block on the other end of Redmond not owned by Microsoft. I was in a building close to them for the Kin (project pink) team and it was more "Security by obscurity".
It's not generally too difficult, unless your spouse is also at MS, then it becomes tricky. The real difficulty comes in when the takehomes start. The new flash currently in beta? I've been running it at home since April or May or something ridiculous like that (it feels like forever). At that point, generally, your housemates get "read in" and you become responsible for any leaks traced back to them.
Look at the range a PC can offer. There are millions of PC's in use that are weak in comparison to the WiiU. The question isn't 'can they do it?', it's will they do it?
Depends more how many units they sell than how many flops it has.
Is 2.5tflop really too high?
Jen-Hsun Huang of Nvidia predicted by 2019 a game console would be able to deliver around 40 teraflops of performance. Walk that back 5 years and at 2014 the console would be at 4 teraflops assuming the roughly 10x performance jump.
Nvidia with Maxwell/Durango should be around 4 teraflops in 2014. My guess is thats what Microsoft is going with with.
PS4 = 1.7 teraflops
Xbox 720 = 4 teraflops
Microsoft would "Dreamcast" the PS4.
Haha. Oh wow.
You're expecting way too much from Xbox 720.
And leaked PS4 specs are around 1.84 teraflops for the GPU alone.
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