Playstation 3: Hardware Info and Price

A $600 BRD player is still cheap. If the system is upgradeable it makes sense. If not, Sony are limiting their BRD movie drive. 20GB sounds small. They should have used 3.5" and got loadsa capacity. But the best news is it's quiet! New tech at current PS2 sound levels is awesome if true.
 
Ok, I woke up two hours ago and only now made it through all the pages of useless banter and whining in the two PS3 threads. Ok, my take:

Price:
Higher than expected. Reaction, weee-eeelll... About the reaction I expected. ;) So many of you guys are completely useless. Instead of complaining in post after post, just don't buy the thing, alright? I'm sure you'll live without the exclusive PS3 games.

Box:
Big is beautiful, it seems. It's not really a surprise that the casing seems to have grown, or sprouted a ton of vents. I kind of expected a bit less in the way of vents tho, but having seen the 360, which has holes like ALL OVER, maybe I shouldn't. I thought Sony would put more vents top and bottom, but there's on the back and underside as well... Black is nice color, but white and silver also looked good. Maybe they'll re-add the missing ones in the future. If it's heavy, well, that's just a good thing IMO. Makes it feel as if I'm getting something for my money. :)

Hardware:
I said in another thread the geek in me would be disappointed if they removed as much as one USB port, and here they went and removed two! And one HDMI port. And the gigabit switch is nowhere to be seen on the pic of the backside of the el cheapo version that someone linked to roughly 2-3 pages back. Seems that feature was cut too. Oh well. *shrug* Such is life I guess.

Drives:
2xBR... Well, not too fast I guess. But there is a harddrive. I hope games will do a lot of precaching. Anyway, 2xBR will run much quieter than 12x DVD, so from that perspective this is a positive thing. Internal HDD looks much better than having it sitting on top in an ugly stupid plastic tub with a bit of cheap chrome tacked on.

Controller:
Disappointment. Sony stuck analog sticks and rumblers to its original PS pad, both in reaction to its competitor(s), and both mostly as an afterthought. Now it's stuck tilt sensors/accelerometers to its current pad, again as an afterthought in reaction to a competitor (and removed the rumblers... Lawsuits FTW! :LOL:). There's no genuine way anyone's going to be able to use this half-measure of a controller in any new and unique ways. It can't be held effectively in just one hand for use as a sword, tennis racquet etc, and using accelerometers effectively with a two-hand grip is going to feel way clunky. It's a controller that'll work just fine, but where PS3 will present next-gen graphics, its DS3 (minus the shock...and the dual, I suppose) controller won't really unlock next-gen gameplay. It'll mostly be a case of more of the same.

Overall:
I'm sure this is a really hot piece of hardware. I'm excited, and wish it was released tomorrow at the very latest.
 
Ok i'm so not getting the no-HDMI thing it's not even funny.
Does it mean Bluray will play in HD through component, forever? Cause if Sony just "decide" to use ICT "later on", then all the cheap-PS3 customers would be royally ticked off. I certainly would, if my PS3 couldn't play Bluray movies in HD after 2 years or so...
Guess we'll have to wait.

Not sure about you guys, but i'm less and less enthousiastic about "next-gen" as each day goes by...
 
Has anyone heard definitively if the non-HDMI version cripples the component out to lower resolutions? If not, there's no reason for me, and I assume others, to get the $600 version that I can think of. I've already got a wireless adapter for the 360 that should work on the PS3. I don't care about the ability to plug SD, etc. memory cards into it. Component outputs don't have to be worse quality than HDMI- http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html

I've already got HDMI overload, as it is, on my TV. Toshiba for some reason decided to put one(!) HDMI input on our DLP (52HM84).

I initially saw the prices for the PS3 and thought they were ridiculous. Upon further reflection, I realized you are only paying $400+$100 for a Blu-Ray player, which is insanely cheap. I don't know if the general populace will realize this, though. I think many parents will see a price tag of $600 for the console and just get immediately angry at the very idea.

I've already purchased an Xbox 360 ($400, No HD video capabilities at all). So my motivation to buy a new console IS reduced. Maybe Microsoft's plan to launch first makes more sense than I originally thought.
 
Harai explicitly stated that the HDD would be removeable early in the presentation. He also explicitly states that euro pricing includes vat which basically makes it quite competative with us pricing. Nevertheless after just having watched the whole thing, i can't help but feel a bit underwhelmed. Most of the stuff that was obviously realtime (as in being played live) was a bit meh in my opinion (with the exception of Ninja Theory's game) and differed quite significantly in quality from the trailer stuff, especially GT-HD with their whole 1080p/60Hz point, though basically using ps2 assets. Nevertheless will probably get one on launch...
 
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The [moderated] pack is more [moderated] than 360. They are giving themselves more production headaches whereas 360/PSP skus were just packaging deals.

HDMI, USB and Lan switch dropped. surprise! surprise!

DS3 is as tacked on as the RSX.

If you don't bulk at the $500 tag, the publishers will. PSP it is not. In all, a poor showing this year.
 
fireshot said:
The retard pack is more retarded than 360. They are giving themselves more production headaches whereas 360/PSP skus were just packaging deals.
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360 has nothing to do with this discussion, so leave it out please.

If you don't bulk at the $500 tag, the publishers will.
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You say this with all the authority of a child of the internet generation. :p

Publishers will of course support PS3 fully. Don't be silly.
 
I think the best bit of news of the whole E3 is that PS3 is going to be really quiet! To me that's probably the most important aspect. I know graphics will be fantastic, whatever people will want to compare to other machines, sound too, i know the games will be fantastic... In the end, i'll be enjoying my games anyway, but the noise i get from my old PS2 is so annoying! Glad they thought about that.
 
Nuh uh! All major publishers announced they are dropping PS3 today. Ninja Theory employees said they are quitting in protest. MS offered to hire them.
 
When we're told the $500 variety won't have Memory Card support, what does that mean? No flash cards at all? Or no PS2 Memory Card support, but CF, SD and MS are supported?
 
I just caught up on most threads, watched a few trailer and the conference, so here are a few thoughts from a PlayStation supporter:

- The price has me a bit shocked actually; I really didn't think they'd be going to charge that much for the console. If anything, I was expecting the more expensive package to be sold at no more than 499. I'm really a bit baffled by the less expensive package without the HDMI... In anycase, after seeing what they have demonstrated, I'm sold and have just placed my pre-order for the 'premium package'.

- The games were a mixed bag. Most were good, but then again, I only watched a low-resolution feed of the conference, so I'll just reserve judgement for now. For what it's worth though, most of the things did look very impressive.

- Naughty Dog let me down big time. The game shows potential, but I was hoping they'd make a platformer. :-/

- Final Fantasy XIII for the Win! :D This has me sold. The girl is gorgeous. Don't care if it was realtime or not, FFXIII is the game that will make my dreams come true! :cool:

- MGS4 is f*cking unbelievable. I want that long trailer. The attention to detail is simply in a leaque of its own...

- GT-HD was the biggest joke ever. I'm surprised they actually showed it that long when it was basically nothing more than GT4 played at some distance.

- The controller: Glad they kept it, as I always loved the DualShock. A bit disappointed about the rumble feature and sceptical about the gyro stuff... Looks cool, but the games will show how well of a feature it ends up being.

- EyeToy stuff was cool. Way cooler than the GTHD footage...

- Heavenly Sword was absolutely stunning. In fact, this together with MGS4 was the most impressive thing IMO. It's right there on my most wanted list. :oops: Big compliment to Dean, Marco and the rest of the team!

- Warhawk looks very nice

- The Getaway looks very nice as well...

- Resistance by Insomniac looks very good. In fact, on the low-res conference feed, it looks like the KillZone trailer with some really impressive action going on and some very nice smoke effects and explosions....

Oh, and where was Wipeout? :( And no Ratchet & Clank?
 
Also what news on the OS? I guess PS3 is coming with some media functionality, so you can use it to play music etc. And ideas on other content, now the HDD is standard, that might add value?
 
liolio
irst, back in the ps1 day's, i think the IQ advantage( in 3d departement) of the ps1 over the saturn was a advantage nobody have talk in this thread.
It help a lot the PS1, I choose ps1 over saturn for this reason.
At the start game library wasn't that much of a issue.

My guess for Sony is somewhere between 4.5 and 5+ millions units by March.

For Ms depend if the 4.5/5.5 millions goals for june is achieve.
If not Xbox360 can be seen by consumer as a loosy system.

What I would consider :

1 The core is a good point for Ms.
299 $ (or slightly less if Ms feels thing 're going well and decide to take more loss) and a healthy game library can attract causual gamers very early (ie chrismass 2006 early in a console life cycle).

2 Ms is likely to have no suppies probleme at this time.

3 quality of the games will be very important.
Ms and sony have both a lot of editor support. Casual gamers don't give a shit to brand fidelity. If both system are on part, Ms will sold all the unit they can supplie (sony will anyway, supplie is more likely to be an issue for Sony).

4 Piracy will be an issue, if say xbox360 security is broken at the time Ms have say a 10+millions user base, this will attract lot of players (at this time game library will be healthy and 10+millions is a good base for p2p). Sorry but lot of my friends buy PS2 becauseof this: lot games, user >>easy piracy...(anyway not a good news for gamers in regard of dev cost, but a NON negligible factor in my opinion. (can be the same for ps3)

5 price of ps3 is not an issue at this time no matter what.

6 Xbox fail in Europe, what will be the PS3 supplies for europe at fall 2006...
My guess not a lot... Will european will wait till at least spring 2007?
My guess quality of game PS3 will have to be more than "barrely distingible" . This is worse in NA.

7 Sony will sellin Japan no matter what.

8 If consumer show a REAL interest for hdtv (and so bluray) Sony have a real technical advantage on MS.

9 XNA is a VERY smart move for MS, I think a lot of people here will change their mind when Vista will be out (2007+). even with say 25/30% market share in console business Ms will still be in good situation while discuting with editors.

10 Ps3 still have an advantage in first party editors, but Ms work in the good way.

11 Ms try to push new franchise, XXX17 can be borring at a time.

It's a lot of factors, too much for me in fact. Anyway I can see valid comparision between Xbox360 and dreamcast (nor that much with xbox in fact).

In the end, Sony will win this time with a confortable margin If anything go right (supplies, non defectives units a start, etc...)
Hence, Ms can gain a lot of market share, and anyway Ms is likely to gain some (my opinion). If ms gains lot of market share (understand make lot of money) they will crush Sony next round they will accept loss per unit that Sony can't stand and they don't want to take at this time (4B with xbox1 is enought at this time lol).

Shortly, I think Sony shows lot of confidence but knows that it has a hell lot of pressure above its shoulders...
(as a whole compagny even a half ps3 succes can be good cause it still mean a BR succes, but still not a good news for game division).
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i've post this in another thread.Price is not a matter at this time.
but it will, i don't expect price drop before fall 2007 at least (for both system).
For the base version (including accessories for xbox) Ps3 is 100$ more.
not that much.
Anyways for the premium version is 200$ more .
Ms should replace 20Gb hdd by 60Gb by chrismass, it should be a smart move and sell 60gb add-on at the price of the 20 gb one.

Not a surprize katuragy has spend this year saying "the ps3 will be expansive".

Now the real E3 can start, what games Ms will unveil, what is the quality of the games that Sony will show.
Price will not be important before at least fall 2007. Don't expect lot of families spending more than 200/300$ for a sytem INCLUDING a game.
for adult gamers games have to be be good +200$ (on premium system) is a lot( considering marketshare of hdtv set, BR can be a selling point in the mid or end ps3 life cycle).

anyway i still haven't change my opinion.
 
Guden Oden said:
360 has nothing to do with this discussion, so leave it out please.
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I am talking about the extra manufacturing for Sony and upgradeability for retard packs buyers.

I think PS3 skus are retarder than retard. 1 sku with smaller HDD on a mean price would do.

You say this with all the authority of a child of the internet generation. :p

Publishers will of course support PS3 fully. Don't be silly.
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Correction: Publishers will of course support sales numbers fully. Don't be silly.

If the internet gamers already bulked at the $500 tag, it does not look good for the millions of causals that make up the most of PS1/2 sales.

Shifty Geezer said:
When we're told the $500 variety won't have Memory Card support, what does that mean? No flash cards at all? Or no PS2 Memory Card support, but CF, SD and MS are supported?
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No multicard reader. It is useless anyway with the HDD.
 
fireshot said:
No multicard reader. It is useless anyway with the HDD.
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It's not useless if the system is supposed to be able to accept CF from my camera, MS from my PSP etc., as suggested. Also it means buyers wanting BC won't be able to use their old saves, unless Sony rig a USB transfer thingy.

It thus looks like $500 is much more just a console, and the $600 is the full media system that KK was dreaming about.

Another thing, I hear PS3 is bigger than previously shown. Anyone got dimensions?
 
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With my devices, the multicard reader will likely remain completely unused.
My devices that have memory cards can be connected with a USB cable, and that is much more convenient than taking the card from the device and putting it into a slot on PS3.
Maybe I will use one slot for permanent storage, if that's possible. Though I see little reason for that with the standard HDD.

The HDMI is a "must" for me as I will buy a HDMI equipped projector soon and I rather the signal remains digital all the way, even if the Blu-ray discs displayed at 720p with component cable (at least Sony has confirmed all their Blu-ray movies will show up to 1080i wth component).

€599 for the better equipped model is within my budget.
I wished there'd be just one SKU for €499, of course I would rather pay less for the PS3 than more, but €599 isn't outrageously much imo, it's around what was expected.
Didn't many forum members abd even analysts predict $699 or more, so this should be a positive surprise ;)
 
Quiet as a slimline PS2, but it could be in a standby mode :D
You just never know with Sony... all the smoke and mirrors and prerendered FFXIII stuff and all..........:oops:

It's interesting how they've managed to get it so quiet, it must have a fan or too to keep it cool and with all those vents.
It must have some clever air guiding and channeling.
 
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