NPD April 2007
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True. Considering the way MS and Nintendo positioned themselves for this generation, I don't see how MS can fight the Wii effectively. I think that while a price drop from the Core to Wii level (say, sell Core + 32MB card + budget game for $250) could increase 360 sales, it wouldn't decrease the Wii sales.
They'll release a motherload of first-party titles this year (see Gamer Day coverage) and they'll likely drop the price before the christmas rush even starts. If that doesn't work to accelerate the hardware sales, they're ****ed.
Sheeesh. The first few months in the PS3's adventures are a good study on the arrogance of relying on brand elasticity in the console market.They will continue to come but when and how? Like how R6 is still not out yet for PS3? Most ports are better on 360? Why should consumers pay more for the entry fee and have to wait longer for the games to come out? A lot of my friends have decided to get a 360 because they can't wait for a PS3 price drop and when games are already out for the system... then there are other friends who just are waiting for the price of the consoles to drop and get a wii for now. Sure that's anecdotal but consumers are finnicky with their money and the past 3 months of sales do indicate the market for a $600 console with few games is near saturated (even a $400 console with lots of great games is getting saturated).
Edited: It appears that the Elite SKU sold 67k in its first week, it launched the last week of April. Info taken from SC from GAF who is affiliated with NPD.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156876
Edited: It appears that the Elite SKU sold 67k in its first week, it launched the last week of April. Info taken from SC from GAF who is affiliated with NPD.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156876
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They do have some good stuff coming, but then again MS and Big N aren't exactly easy to beat when it comes to big titles this holiday...
If I am to take a guess - what's hurting Sony at the moment is the price, perhaps still not enough people outthere with HD displays (at least in Europe) and for the most part, I think, most PlayStation supporters are still playing their PS2. :smile:
I am. And I'm not thinking of upgrading before christmas. Next gen transition came too soon for me. I can see that it hasn't for Xbox owners, which may be explain overall good sales of 360s. At the end of day, I'm not worried seeing that PS2 is still selling extremely well and all those buyers will eventually upgrade as well. Sony just has to make sure that the software is still there and the price to pick them up.
I am. And I'm not thinking of upgrading before christmas. Next gen transition came too soon for me. I can see that it hasn't for Xbox owners, which may be explain overall good sales of 360s. At the end of day, I'm not worried seeing that PS2 is still selling extremely well and all those buyers will eventually upgrade as well. Sony just has to make sure that the software is still there and the price to pick them up.
I was on the same boat regarding HD but when I look at Japan sales where the PS3 is rather cheap and where the TV HD market is supposed to be the higher I just don't know if the problem is so simple.
Johnny Awesome
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IMO most of that stuff they showed isn't coming out anytime soon.
These numbers are an absolute fiasco for Sony. They need to reduce costs and get decent games very quickly. They've already lost NA and Japan, and now EU is in danger IMO.
It's the 1) price, 2) lack of exclusive/great games, and 3) strong competition that's really hurting it.
archangelmorph
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Well your oppinion is just plain wrong, unless you don't think "sometime this year" is "anytime soon"..
After nipping over to IGN and having a quick look at the release calander [UK] for the PS3, It seems like Sony's "big guns" software should start filling the shelves around early september which means that by the time xmas 2007 rolls around they should have amassed enough quality software to serious bolster sales through the holiday period (even without the much needed price cut).. Granted if they cut the price aswell then i'm sure the sales of the PS3 could "potentially" explode..
I'm pretty confident that by early november the PS3 won't have any problems with regards to it's software line-up and it will be then that we'll have a better view on exactly how much of a crutch on the system the high price point is proving to be (provided they haven't dropped the price by then that is..)
IMO I'm quite excited about Sony's 4th quarter line up and asifde from picking up Halo 3, Mass Effect, Too Human & Blue Dragon, it probably means i'll be investing in Sony's next gen console a little earlier than I anticipated.. (price drop or no..)
In Japan there are nearly 0 games. Gundam pushed alot of consoles when that dropped. Hot Shots Golf is in the Famitsu top 10. If that game comes out and they still sell only like 10-20 thousand PS3 then I would say they are doomed. Nobody is going to buy a system with no games. Rather common sense IMO.
I find it interesting that so many people complain about lack of games (i agree that there are way to few games, as with all newly launched systems), but people seem to forget that the last Playstations had absymal launch lineups as well and that sold like crazy, they basically just sold on hype.
I find it hard to believe that the Playstation 3 will sell (it will sell, but not enough) at such a high pricepoint regardless of Sony's big hitters coming out this year or not.
I find it hard to believe that the Playstation 3 will sell (it will sell, but not enough) at such a high pricepoint regardless of Sony's big hitters coming out this year or not.
wow... only one week of reporting and it sold almost as many units as the PS3.
I'm sure some were holding out on Premiums for the Elite but geez.... I guess there is a market at $479 (since they have games to go along with it).
I seriously doubt that will boost sales in the coming months though. They will just supplant Premium sales (until the inevitable price drop). I'm sure MS had/has a plan for these skus and their future pricing in mind when they launched the Elite.
Well, I think there's room for both angles honestly. On the one hand, PS3 would do better to have a stronger differentiated game lineup (and that's an important point), and yet at the same time PS2 *did* enjoy an artificially strong demand/attraction factor due to reasons that transcended said lineup that PS3 does not enjoy (in fact potentially 'enjoying' the opposite).
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Compared to popularity of the Halo series none of the current games except maybe Gears can be considered "big". Releasing a game that has generated above level hype during the normal months of the year is not comparable to releasing your console's biggest franchise on the eve of the holiday season. Add GTA into the mix, which is the biggest franchise of all in recent history, and one could easily surmise that the 360 could get by without a price drop until the first part of 08.
However, I doubt that MS will forego a price cut with their holiday sales' strategy as it will have an added effect and with the Wii's popularity right now, MS will probably try to maximize sales over the holiday season.
FWIW, German h/w sales for the same month (prob does not need its own thread).
April numbers:
Wii: 20.000
PS3: 16.000
X360: 9500
LTD:
Xbox 360: 262.000
Wii: 220.000
PS3: 70.500
Source: GfK / http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/89889
April numbers:
Wii: 20.000
PS3: 16.000
X360: 9500
LTD:
Xbox 360: 262.000
Wii: 220.000
PS3: 70.500
Source: GfK / http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/89889
Didn't this same scenario happen with their demo of Home and LBP. If I was Sony I would schedule my big PR events following NPD release and not a few days before. All their positive news gets trumphed by negative news before the positive news has had time to simmer in the public's mind.