Nintendo e3 thread 2
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Geeforcer said:PC-Engine said:Geeforcer said:
How about posting the top 20 after Zelda is released? Yeah thought so.
Hey, I was not aware that "GC is doing well" translated into "GC was doing well that one time a Zelda game was released" in PC-Engine speak. My bad.
Maybe because it does not have anything to do with GCN sales since they're selling at normal levels.
My reply was to render your top 20 analogy MOOT understand?
Top-20 analogy? LOL. More like statement of fact.
1) If a platform fails to place a single game in the top-20 chart, it takes some rather creative thinking to construed that as "platform X doing well".
2) What kind of excuse is "there are no games"? Who’s fault is it? That's just another indication of how deep in the rut the platform is.
2) Nintendo expected to ship 50 million GCs by now. Is missing your hardware sales target by more then factor of two another aspect of "doing well", along with dismal software sales?
1) If a platform fails to place a single game in the top-20 chart, it takes some rather creative thinking to construed that as "platform X doing well".
2) What kind of excuse is "there are no games"? Who’s fault is it? That's just another indication of how deep in the rut the platform is.
2) Nintendo expected to ship 50 million GCs by now. Is missing your hardware sales target by more then factor of two another aspect of "doing well", along with dismal software sales?
Geeforcer said:
What they expected to ship 4 years ago has little relevence of how it's doing at present. It's doing as well as the Xbox worldwide at present in terms of sales. In terms of profit it's doing better.
What's your problem anyway?
Your doom and gloom antics just aren't working sorry.
Clearly, my interpretation of dismal software sales and failure to hit even 50% of the unit shipment target set less then 3 years ago are just delusional "doom and gloom" antics. It's now obvious to me that using such flaky and strange criteria as "hardware sales" and "software sales" will just not cut it in this would of cold facts and figures. I should have used more concrete matrices to back up my ludicrous opinion then "Top 20 analogy", such as simple repetition of "it's doing well" phrase.
The announcement of 50 Million target by March 2005 was made on July 6th 2002, which would be, say it with me, less then 3 years ago.
Here are the US hardware sales this year so far (as of April):
PS2: 1,973,000
Xbox: 833,000
GC 387,000
Some insane and irrational person might suggest that GC is not doing well compared to either Nintendo’s own target or the competition. Good thing we don't allow that kind of crazy talk here.
But, why take my word for it? Surely, Cube.ign.com, free of "doom and gloom antics" or "Top-20 analogies" can confirm that "GC is going well"
What was I thinking? GC is going orgasmicly fantastic!
Here are the US hardware sales this year so far (as of April):
PS2: 1,973,000
Xbox: 833,000
GC 387,000
Some insane and irrational person might suggest that GC is not doing well compared to either Nintendo’s own target or the competition. Good thing we don't allow that kind of crazy talk here.
But, why take my word for it? Surely, Cube.ign.com, free of "doom and gloom antics" or "Top-20 analogies" can confirm that "GC is going well"
IGN said:
What was I thinking? GC is going orgasmicly fantastic!
Considering the Xbox360 specs that were leaked about a year ago turned out to be pretty accurate. I now believe the realistic rumoured Revolution specs could probably be accurate as well. They didnt have nothing to show this year, Nintendo never release a console b4 E3. So they have left E3 2006 to pimp the new hardware. Sony and Microsoft will be out before the next E3 according to plans. History repeats itself, Nintendo is always running late to market and competitive.
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Since when does number of consoles sold = how well you are doing ?
Nintendo is making millions off the unit each year . When zelda comes out it will sell close to halo 2 numbers . Not to mention that ww , metriods , mario sunshine , mario kart , super smash all sold close to halo 2 numbers .
Nintendo makes many of thier own first party titles that sell in the millions of units and they pay no one to make that kind of money .
Ms and sony however have a much much smaller number of ittles that they make as much money as nintendo does .
Sony though has many more titles that they make royalitys off of
Nintendo is making millions off the unit each year . When zelda comes out it will sell close to halo 2 numbers . Not to mention that ww , metriods , mario sunshine , mario kart , super smash all sold close to halo 2 numbers .
Nintendo makes many of thier own first party titles that sell in the millions of units and they pay no one to make that kind of money .
Ms and sony however have a much much smaller number of ittles that they make as much money as nintendo does .
Sony though has many more titles that they make royalitys off of
Well it all comes back to a post I made a long time ago asking what exactly how we determine success.
Financially? Then surely Nintendo is doing A+++ there. But marketshare? Well GCN is sorely lagging and will likely continue to die a slow death. But their handheld sector is going bonkers and will (along with Pokemon) continue to bring in the lion's share of their revenue.
So:
Nintendo itself - doing very quite well financially.
GCN - not doing too well (certainly not as well as they said but projections are just hopeful guesses after all).
GBA/DS - doing better than expected (the DS at least in terms of moving hardware - not sure what they projected for the software side).
Pokemon - I have no clue but I'm sure it's raking in huge money.
Financially? Then surely Nintendo is doing A+++ there. But marketshare? Well GCN is sorely lagging and will likely continue to die a slow death. But their handheld sector is going bonkers and will (along with Pokemon) continue to bring in the lion's share of their revenue.
So:
Nintendo itself - doing very quite well financially.
GCN - not doing too well (certainly not as well as they said but projections are just hopeful guesses after all).
GBA/DS - doing better than expected (the DS at least in terms of moving hardware - not sure what they projected for the software side).
Pokemon - I have no clue but I'm sure it's raking in huge money.
jvd said:
JVD, you are either joking (I hope) or horribly, terribly mislead. Most of the games on that list are nowhere close to Halo 2 numbers. Metroid Prime, for example, sold 1.2 million in the US. Halo 2 sold 3.6 million by December of last year alone. To reiterate, Halo 2 sold THREE TIMES more in a couple of months then Metroid sold in three years. “Close to Halo 2 numbers†my rear end.
Well . I don't see nintendo ever go anywhere . If they are able to sell 20 million systems each generation and have thier games continue to sell in the millions they will be fine .
I think what we see this generation is nintendo's hardcore fan base and I dont' think that is ever going away .
The only thing I can see happening is ms or sony offering to give them a royality free deal .
I think what we see this generation is nintendo's hardcore fan base and I dont' think that is ever going away .
The only thing I can see happening is ms or sony offering to give them a royality free deal .
Ty said:
Are they really?
http://news.designtechnica.com/article6418.html
Those crazy people at Nintendo, blaming GC for financial underperformance and cutting the sales projections, again. Aren't they aware that "GC is going well"? Someone ought to set them straight.
Geeforcer said:
And MS is still losing money. That 3.6 million means jack if it cost you billions of dollars to pull those kinds of numbers.
The profitability argument is often scoffed at, but as some are fond of saying, all that matters are the games. As long as Nintendo is profitable enough to stay in business and keep making the games its fans love, does it really need to be number one?
I'm sure MS stockholders are happy with Xbox 1 performance. It eeked out gamecube and only cost a cool 4 bil. Nice heh.
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