Nintendo e3 thread 2

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for what its worth, I say Ninty has a brighter future than MS in the gameind industry. there is an amount of loses a company could afford take, including MS. as for Ninty, I wonder how far can their 'methodoligy' takes them?

personally, the 'kiddy' image doesn't appeal to me. I can't imagine myself being excited on owning a Ninty console and calling everybody to come and see it. also, they didn't show anything new or different as of yet on E3. same old same old; Metroid, Mario and Zelda. they are big but couldn't they show something new? I don't remember the last original Ninty console game (Pikmin was it?)
 
The announcement of 50 Million target by March 2005 was made on July 6th 2002, which would be, say it with me, less then 3 years ago

Wait you mean Nintendo never had sales projections when they launched the GCN in 2001? What are they thinking? :LOL:

Here are the US hardware sales this year so far (as of April):

Where are the worldwide numbers? :LOL:

What was I thinking? GC is going orgasmicly fantastic!

So because one game that was expected to sell well in March didn't sell well it suddenly means GC teh doomzd? :LOL:

gokickrocks said:
nintendo needs to add this to their color selection
http://img59.echo.cx/my.php?image=nesrev4ow.jpg

Oh man that's sweet!! :oops: 8)
 
Xbox is 2nd place only in NA. for the rest of the world Cube is 2nd. check the interview with Ninty's NA CEO at gamepro a couple of months back.
 
One more Revolution pic.

revo_2l.jpg
 
Damn is the Revolution beautifull. It is addictive to look at the more I see it the more I want it even though I know nothing about the games or what is inside. If nintendo has a good E3 next year I will seriously consider getting the Rrevolution before I get a PS3.
 
quest55720 said:
Damn is the Revolution beautifull. It is addictive to look at the more I see it the more I want it even though I know nothing about the games or what is inside. If nintendo has a good E3 next year I will seriously consider getting the Rrevolution before I get a PS3.

Hehe agreed...I'd get one just to play my GCN games. :)
 
great design, it looks more Sony-like. but I can't get the side to look right. it looks badly cropped and out of proportion. maybe more hands-on pics will fix that.
 
I quite like it, though I must say I don't like the stand at all and the way it's angled upwards. :?
 
On June 6th, 2002, Nintendo announced that they will sell 50 million Gamecubes worldwide by March 2005. By the end of last year, their total sales number were 18 million units. This is how sales in US looked since then (this year):

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System	PS2	     Xbox	       GC
Jan	  488,000	  241,000	   114,000
Feb	  533,000	  212,000	   116,000
Mar	  620,000	  227,000	    94,000
Apr	  332,000	  153,000	    63,000
Total	1,973,000	833,000	   387,000

Nintendo would have had to sell quite a few consoles everywhere else since then to regain the second place. Why regain, you might ask? Because though December, MS has sold 19.9 million Xbox units would-wide. For those keeping score at home, that's almost 2 million, or 10% more then Nintendo, over the same period of time. In Europe, they sold 5 million units. Nintendo doesn't report European sales specifically, designating everything outside of Japan and Americans as "others" - but even that figure, bound to include European, Australian and non-Japanese Asian sales, was 4.13 million. In other words, its advantage in Japan is not longer enough to offset the shortfall everyone else, thus dropping them into the third place. I think we can thus readily dismiss "Nintendo is #3 only in US" theory. It is also quite telling that April-December sales in 2004 are down in every territory from the same period in 2003 - GC sales have actually decreases 22% year to year! No wonder Nintendo blamed poor GC sales for the 43% profit plunge and cut shipping targets ever further.

There is more. As mentioned in the immortal "Top-20 analogy"GC software sales lately have been as dismal as hardware. And of course Nintendo's DK Jungle Beat bombed hard. But hey, maybe it's only one game? Well, in addition to Metroid: Echoes lagging behind Prime sales despite a wider installment base, there is this said statistic: in March Gamecube's 5 top-selling games sold a combined total of 254,400 copies. By comparison, the top-selling game on Xbox sold 215K copies by itself, while the top-5 accounted for 952,258 copies sold.

In conclusion, Gamecube is now solidly in third place globally, miles behind Nintendo's original projection, increasingly lagging behind the competing, is actually dropping in sales each year, not moving software and is blamed by Nintendo itself for their profits shortfall. Now, if any rational person (that would exclude PC Engine) can explain to me how all of this can be considered as "doing fine", please be my guest.
 
Geeforcer said:
On June 6th, 2002, Nintendo announced that they will sell 50 million Gamecubes worldwide by March 2005. By the end of last year, their total sales number were 18 million units. This is how sales in US looked since then (this year):

Code:
System	PS2	     Xbox	       GC
Jan	  488,000	  241,000	   114,000
Feb	  533,000	  212,000	   116,000
Mar	  620,000	  227,000	    94,000
Apr	  332,000	  153,000	    63,000
Total	1,973,000	833,000	   387,000

Nintendo would have had to sell quite a few consoles everywhere else since then to regain the second place. Why regain, you might ask? Because though December, MS has sold 19.9 million Xbox units would-wide. For those keeping score at home, that's almost 2 million, or 10% more then Nintendo, over the same period of time. In Europe, they sold 5 million units. Nintendo doesn't report European sales specifically, designating everything outside of Japan and Americans as "others" - but even that figure, bound to include European, Australian and non-Japanese Asian sales, was 4.13 million. In other words, its advantage in Japan is not longer enough to offset the shortfall everyone else, thus dropping them into the third place. I think we can thus readily dismiss "Nintendo is #3 only in US" theory. It is also quite telling that April-December sales in 2004 are down in every territory from the same period in 2003 - GC sales have actually decreases 22% year to year! No wonder Nintendo blamed poor GC sales for the 43% profit plunge and cut shipping targets ever further.

There is more. As mentioned in the immortal "Top-20 analogy"GC software sales lately have been as dismal as hardware. And of course Nintendo's DK Jungle Beat bombed hard. But hey, maybe it's only one game? Well, in addition to Metroid: Echoes lagging behind Prime sales despite a wider installment base, there is this said statistic: in March Gamecube's 5 top-selling games sold a combined total of 254,400 copies. By comparison, the top-selling game on Xbox sold 215K copies by itself, while the top-5 accounted for 952,258 copies sold.

In conclusion, Gamecube is now solidly in third place globally, miles behind Nintendo's original projection, increasingly lagging behind the competing, is actually dropping in sales each year, not moving software and is blamed by Nintendo itself for their profits shortfall. Now, if any rational person (that would exclude PC Engine) can explain to me how all of this can be considered as "doing fine", please be my guest.

Give it up dude. Selective quoting isn't helping your cause.
 
ROFL, selective quoting? Well then, go ahead and refute anything above. Show us how "GC is doing fine". I went out of my way to back up my opinion - care to do the same?
 
I have seen sales figures of Ninty console from Famicom to GC. they go like this- give or take:
Famicom: 50M
N64 : 35M
GC : 20M

I don't know how accurate those figures are but it seems that Ninty consoles are doing less impressively each time. while each playstation console is doiing better than both Xbox and GC combined and doubled.
 
Geeforcer said:
ROFL, selective quoting? Well then, go ahead and refute anything above. Show us how "GC is doing fine". I went out of my way to back up my opinion - care to do the same?

For what? It's obvious you're trying to trash this thread by spreading FUD. Why even argue about this generation when MS will halt Xbox production soon and Revolution being backwards compatible with GCN? It's pointless.

z said:
I have seen sales figures of Ninty console from Famicom to GC. they go like this- give or take:
Famicom: 50M
N64 : 35M
GC : 20M

I don't know how accurate those figures are but it seems that Ninty consoles are doing less impressively each time. while each playstation console is doiing better than both Xbox and GC combined and doubled.

Without factoring in market conditions those numbers cannot be used to predict anything. Famicom had the whole market to itself, N64 was cart based, GCN came 1 year after PS2, etc. It's like taking a piece of information and blowing it out of proportion trying to build a mountain out of a mole hill. :LOL:
 
PC-Engine said:
For what? It's obvious you're trying to trash this thread by spreading FUD. Why even argue about this generation when MS will halt Xbox production soon and Revolution being backwards compatible with GCN? It's pointless.

I have backed up every single thing I said with facts and figures to the best of my ability. Considering you are disputing my point of view, would you have the courtesy to point out where exactly I went wrong? Regarding the "why argue"part – not to degenerate to kindergarten playground "he started it", but I believe it was you who first responded to my and Kolgar’s accretion that GC is threading water with "(it’s) doing fine", setting off the argument above.
 
Geeforcer said:
PC-Engine said:
For what? It's obvious you're trying to trash this thread by spreading FUD. Why even argue about this generation when MS will halt Xbox production soon and Revolution being backwards compatible with GCN? It's pointless.

I have backed up every single thing I said with facts and figures to the best of my ability. Considering you are disputing my point of view, would you have the courtesy to point out where exactly I went wrong? Regarding the "why argue"part – not to degenerate to kindergarten playground "he started it", but I believe it was you who first responded to my and Kolgar’s accretion that GC is threading water with "(it’s) doing fine", setting off the argument above.

It's always the same argument from people like you. Just because Nintendo had a bad quarter or whatnot doesn't mean it's the end of the world for GCN. That is the point. This can go on forever. It gets pretty old after awhile. I can go on about how Nintendo does most of it's sales come from the 4th quarter etc. but it's just beating a dead horse and I'm not really interested sorry.

mech said:
I have to say, that's quite a great argument there by Geeforcer. I think PC-E just hates being wrong.

When we get annual sales figures, we'll know who is right and who is wrong. ;)
 
PC-Engine said:
Geeforcer said:
PC-Engine said:
For what? It's obvious you're trying to trash this thread by spreading FUD. Why even argue about this generation when MS will halt Xbox production soon and Revolution being backwards compatible with GCN? It's pointless.

I have backed up every single thing I said with facts and figures to the best of my ability. Considering you are disputing my point of view, would you have the courtesy to point out where exactly I went wrong? Regarding the "why argue"part – not to degenerate to kindergarten playground "he started it", but I believe it was you who first responded to my and Kolgar’s accretion that GC is threading water with "(it’s) doing fine", setting off the argument above.

It's always the same argument from people like you. Just because Nintendo had a bad quarter or whatnot doesn't not mean it's the end of the world for GCN. That is the point. This can go on forever. It gets pretty old after awhile. I can go on about how Nintendo does most of it's sales come from the 4th quarter etc. but it's just beating a dead horse and I'm not really interested sorry.

Bad quarter? They sold 22% units less in 2004 then in 2003. They have went from being 15% ahead of Xbox to 10% behind in the span 15 months. That's one looong quarter.

PC-Engine said:
When we get annual sales figures, we'll know who is right and who is wrong. ;)

LOL, you obviously didn't even read my post. I *SIGHTED* annual sales figures. You know, hard numbers.
 
The numbers presented by Geeforcer seem to speak for themselves. Now, admittedly numbers like statistics can easily be abused but it seems to me that the GCN is lagging, certainly behind any projections Nintendo put out.

That does not mean, however, that Nintendo is at all threatened in the short term. Yes, I believe you are absolutely correct that the GCN is pretty much dead. Yes I believe Xbox is going into this generation with a lot of momentum. But neither of these necessarily mean Nintendo is going the way of the dodo.

As for 4th quarter being the best for GCN sales, isn't this true for all companies?

All the hard evidence in the world is not going to change the minds of those that refuse to see the truth.
 
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