News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

[Brad Grenz]

why would they do away with silver? So I have to pay monthly or yearly just to play single player games?

Exactly. With cloud computing they're already blurring the lines between what is an online game and what is an offline experience. If they are going to redraw the lines they will undoubtedly err on the side of requiring Gold. I mean, we're already being told you basically need the internet for the system to function at all for games, and they've always locked internet functions behind a paywall. The implication is certainly there, even if they're terrified to say it out loud.

Seem what he was saying to play online ftp games you must be xbl gold. Which makes sense if you think about it....

That's the case on the 360 right now. The few free-to-play experiences available all require Gold membership, even the new Doritos Crash Course game.

 

[astrograd]

I don't think they're dumb enough to let go of such a powerful wedge issue.

A handful of ppl on forums aren't going to sway Sony's businessmen. If they feel they can do what MS has done with XBLG they will hop on that gravy train all day long. Same goes for DRM. They aren't going to hand MS better 3rd party relationships just so they can put their partners (and themselves) in a position to make less money.

Yes, they miss an opportunity to look good PR-wise...but outside in the real world most actual gamers don't really care about DRM issues. That's not anything you can market if you are Sony. MS will have things like the 10 person shared library feature and the floating profile accessible wherever you go stuff which they can market. Sony won't run attack ads to try and drudge up complex legal interpretations of modern copyright law or EULA-related court decisions in some vain effort to gin up a populist movement against Xbox.

They likely see DRM and online paywalls as a means to be neutral with MS PR-wise once the dust settles. I'm sure they are ok settling for that in return for what is certain to be loads of additional revenues down the road.

 

[XpiderMX]

Exactly. With cloud computing they're already blurring the lines between what is an online game and what is an offline experience. If they are going to redraw the lines they will undoubtedly err on the side of requiring Gold. I mean, we're already being told you basically need the internet for the system to function at all for games, and they've always locked internet functions behind a paywall. The implication is certainly there, even if they're terrified to say it out loud.



That's the case on the 360 right now. The few free-to-play experiences available all require Gold membership, even the new Doritos Crash Course game.

Microsoft have a lot of free cloud services, SkyDrive is free (7GB), Outlook is free, etc.

Cloud services not necessary are costly for the user.

 

[astrograd]

Exactly. With cloud computing they're already blurring the lines between what is an online game and what is an offline experience. If they are going to redraw the lines they will undoubtedly err on the side of requiring Gold. I mean, we're already being told you basically need the internet for the system to function at all for games, and they've always locked internet functions behind a paywall. The implication is certainly there, even if they're terrified to say it out loud.

You cannot be serious with this crap...

All CBOAT is saying is that "F2P games" will be misleading in his view since many of them are MP titles and thus will be locked behind a paywall. If he had meant what you guys have dreamt up he would have said so as it'd be a megaton. There is 0.00% of that happening like you guys are describing.

 

[Xenus]

A handful of ppl on forums aren't going to sway Sony's businessmen. If they feel they can do what MS has done with XBLG they will hop on that gravy train all day long. Same goes for DRM. They aren't going to hand MS better 3rd party relationships just so they can put their partners (and themselves) in a position to make less money.

Yes, they miss an opportunity to look good PR-wise...but outside in the real world most actual gamers don't really care about DRM issues. That's not anything you can market if you are Sony. MS will have things like the 10 person shared library feature and the floating profile accessible wherever you go stuff which they can market. Sony won't run attack ads to try and drudge up complex legal interpretations of modern copyright law or EULA-related court decisions in some vain effort to gin up a populist movement against Xbox.

They likely see DRM and online paywalls as a means to be neutral with MS PR-wise once the dust settles. I'm sure they are ok settling for that in return for what is certain to be loads of additional revenues down the road.

I could see that but if they were going paywall it seems like a decision they'd make for the PS Vita as well not just the PS4. Plus Sony's joke about DRM on twitter would look really bad on them. That doesn't they won't do it just makes it less likely.

However on topic those rumors clearly show two things. One he has no good contact within Sony or Sony's ninja's are out in full force. 2. I just don't see Microsoft throwing around cash to buy 3rd party silence. The Return on investment is shitty to begin with and if it gets out it's far more likely to more harm then good.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Weren't you ban on Neogaf for doing this exactly.?

Nope, I wasn't banned for that. I was temporarily banned till after E3 for, I suppose, being a bit too overzealous in my belief that the Xbox One's policies weren't quite as life altering and disastrous as some thought.

So I was literally banned for "Spinning too hard." :/ I learned my lesson, though. I'll just say my piece and then move on. Engaging with people on such a touchy subject that gets people so angry and animated, especially when I'm probably on the wrong side of the issue, is probably asking for trouble clearly. So people saw me get banned and instantly jumped to the conclusion that I must have been banned because I'm some "shill" that works for MS, which I'm not. But when you don't agree with people on a specific subject, that's what happens.

The subject of what I said about there being no downclock isn't what got me banned. It was the entirely different subject of the Xbox One's policies and being perceived as spinning, even though I was just giving my personal opinion on the matter. My ban only lasts till after E3. I have concerns like others, but I don't think the policies would change very much about the way I do things day to day. I regularly had nice things to say about the Wii-U and PS4 on GAF, so I wasn't exactly trolling any specific consoles. It just rubbed some folks the wrong way that I held some of the opinions that I did, and more or less maintained a positive outlook on the Xbox One. I don't really blame the mods, but more so people accusing anybody that has a different view of somehow working for Microsoft.

 

[Arwin]

Not to be too off-topic, but I posted a video on youtube of me playing a Move AR drawing game while my son kept climbing on my back and then jumping off the couch, and basically the one comment I got was omg you're such a Sony shill using your kid to promote them or whatever. Sigh.

 

[Bagel seed]

From BruceLeeRoy

I've only heard this from one person but think about if MS merged the concept of PS+ with XBLG and applied it to your games

System is off set with cheaper prices and anytime you re-sub you get your library back plus DLC incentives to bring you back.

I HAVE TO REITERATE I ONLY HAVE THIS FROM ONE PERSON.

Every game is a perma rental?

 

[Pugger]

It's an unsubstantiated rumour, I wouldn't take it as read. Further is MS are requiring subscription for the console to work, this could only mean contracts. How about £199 for the console if you sign up for £50 for 5 years live sub? I could see a load of people bite at that.

 

[Arwin]

Fable 3 I think is free for Microsoft Gold members ... So there could be something to it?

 

[Mianca]

Further is MS are requiring subscription for the console to work, this could only mean contracts.

Why would they need contracts? They'd just have to make it so you can't play any games on your XBOX One unless you've got an active XBLG subscription: If you don't subscribe, you're basically left with an expensive bluray player ... and an HDMI input for TV pass-through. Yeah!

No need for long-term contracts. People who buy an Xbox One basically wouldn't have any choice but to pay that monthly fee anyway.

Thinking about it, all the cloud (computing) stuff would only make sense if devs could be sure that EVERY Xbox user had full access to it. They wouldn't design games around a feature that only a fracture of the install base could/would use and/or that would cost users extra money compared to playing games WITHOUT such functionality. So "bundling" cloud functionality with EVERY Xbox One would not only make perfect sense (cf. Kinect), but also be the sole option to coherently integrate it.

And how do you bundle cloud functionality with every box while still making money? You make it a core prerequisite for playing games (even for playing those games that don't actually use it) and hook it up to an XBLG-type of subscription ...

Might just be a rumour - but it makes all the sense of the world (even though I personally wouldn't support such a system at this point of time).

 

[Grall]

MS requiring a sub just to use my own console would be an excellent excuse for me to not have to buy two consoles this generation....because there's no fscking way in hell I would go along with something like that, ever.

It just sounds entirely too daft, I can't imagine MS going along with something like this. It's too evil and money-grubbing even for them.

 

[warb]

MS requiring a sub just to use my own console would be an excellent excuse for me to not have to buy two consoles this generation....because there's no fscking way in hell I would go along with something like that, ever.

It just sounds entirely too daft, I can't imagine MS going along with something like this. It's too evil and money-grubbing even for them.

Not at all likely. Even if the touted 46 million Xbox Live members were all individual gold accounts and didn't include users with multiple accounts or silver accounts, that would still be only around half of the 360's out there.

They still want to sell systems and games.


I would guess that MS are starting up a longer lasting platform with One, where hardware updates see games updated to play with improved image quality. Like with the yearly iPad refresh, but not so frequent. And then "XboxTwo required" starts to appear on boxes as old hardware is phased out.

 

[Scott_Arm]

I sort of assumed there would be mandatory subscription because of the connected nature of the box and the apparent pervasive use of cloud features.

 

[Mianca]

MS requiring a sub just to use my own console would be an excellent excuse for me to not have to buy two consoles this generation....because there's no fscking way in hell I would go along with something like that, ever.

It just sounds entirely too daft, I can't imagine MS going along with something like this. It's too evil and money-grubbing even for them.

Practically speaking it would just bereave people of their illusion of choice, though.

How many people own an XBOX 360 and don't have an XBLG subscription? You need it to play online, after all. I'd actually be surprised if less than two out of three XBL users had a more or less permanent gold membership (I read they hit 50% back in 2010). For those people, hardly anything would change. And anyone not wanting to connect his box to the internet at all has already been snubbed by the stuff the officially stated a few days ago.

Again, not saying I'd personally condone such a system - but I do see where Microsoft could be coming from and how they could actually consider this as a viable business appraoch.

 

[Averagejoe]

NeoGaf are getting a bit ridiculous for banning Xbox fanboys for doing nothing else besides being fanboys.

I can vouch for SenjutsuSage and his source - it seems the current GPU clock is indeed 800 mhz as per the vgleaks specs

I was just asking,but just like you vouch for him here,all of Neogaf stand by CBOAT because they know he is legit basically the most legit leaker Neogaf has had,and he is no newbie either been leaking things for 10 years,including some of the things he got right were xbox 360 parts like HDD and some workings on the unit.


I have read here many people discredit CBOAT,the guy is take seriously in NG for a reason,if MS would have been open since the start maybe it would make CBOAT info more unreliable,but the way has been acting up basically confirms everything CBOAT has been saying.

 

[DJ12]

Not at all likely. Even if the touted 46 million Xbox Live members were all individual gold accounts and didn't include users with multiple accounts or silver accounts, that would still be only around half of the 360's out there.

They still want to sell systems and games.

Have you not been paying attention?

They are going from pr nightmare to pr nightmare at the minute. It's entirely possible you will have to pay for live to use the cloud and other features.

 

[Averagejoe]

Microsoft have a lot of free cloud services, SkyDrive is free (7GB), Outlook is free, etc.

Cloud services not necessary are costly for the user.

On the xbox brand even internet explorer is hide behind a pay wall,netflix,hulu and this is this gen,imagine how sad the next one will be..

Can you call a F2P game that way if you have to pay for live gold to get it and play it.?

 

[Scott_Arm]

Honest from the start? Did they need to release all of their policies well before the product is even on sale?

 

[warb]

Fable 3 I think is free for Microsoft Gold members ... So there could be something to it?

Whoa, thanks for that. :smile: