Bagel seed
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It's just semantics. Taped out is what it was in Nov '11.
And just when I thought we crossed into the Acceptance stage. Why are you all so insistent there's something else to Xbone?
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It's just semantics. Taped out is what it was in Nov '11.
And just when I thought we crossed into the Acceptance stage. Why are you all so insistent there's something else to Xbone?
Bagel seed
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Yes, I was referring to those special ones. Like BeyondTed, and some others. Not us otherwise more grounded folks.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/DopeyFish/fed49cc910647546392bb8f9d408e1db_zps2f2218cf.jpg
This banner outright confirms Yukon leak
"One box. Input 1" was the proposed consumer messaging
Getting excited to see Fortaleza
This banner outright confirms Yukon leak
"One box. Input 1" was the proposed consumer messaging
Getting excited to see Fortaleza
(((interference)))
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Yes, this is what I mean, they didn't have the actual silicon at the time but they had the design finalised.
I say this as the last spec change made to the hardware (to as it is per vgleaks) was a RAM increase from 4GB to 8GB in Nov 2011.
Because I want and expect it to be following the lines of the original Xbox and the 360.
And because there are things about the hardware photos that make me incredulous about 768 and Jaguar after spending all the money on 5 billion transistors.
One way I have posed the question a few times is as follows:
What is your opinion on the following four rather concrete physical facts about the hardware that can be seen in photographs?
Please note that all four exist at the same time. Saying just that #3 is for silence does not work. Can you address all four at the same time in the context of predicted performance and power?
1. Xbox One SoC Size: New Console Record/Tie/Not Record
2. Xbox One Power Brick: New Console Record/Tie/Not Record
3. Xbox One Heatsink/Fan: New Console Record/Tie/Not Record
4. Xbox One SoC Power Buck Converter: New Console Record/Tie/Not Record
When you look at all four at the same time and compare it to the original PS3 and Xbox 360 chips, power converters, power supplies and heatsinks/fans I get the feeling that it is in the high power category not the "pulling a Nintendo Wii U 2.0" category.
Take the power buck converter. Look at the original PS3 main board and the original Xbox 360 main board and now compare to the Xbox one the buck converter components (number of mosfets, chokes, output filter caps) shown in the wired photos. All three are pretty similar which to me suggests a similar amount of power consumption. Also keep in mind I know a bit about electronics and I can see that the toroids (for all the power conversion in the 360) are crummy and wimpy compared with the more advanced and more expensive ones clearly shown in the wired photos. From doing electronic design and from buying motherboards/CPUs (from my first 8088 and NEC V20 up to today's processors = 20+ years) and overclocking I know the toroids are used on the cheaper and lower powered main boards (and older boards) and the particular ones shown in the wired photos for Xbox One are pretty much top of the line and are seen in top of the line BIG graphics cards.
Compare the 360 power brick to the pictures of the Xbox One (yes, I know it might not be final) and again it suggests a similar amount of power.
Add up all four at the same time and I do not buy the lower power rumors. It does not make sense.
Plus when I see the "pulling a Nintendo Wii U 2.0" and other Xbox One bashing along with constant "Xbone" & "Tiny Flaccid" then I pretty much reject the arguments of obvious MS haters.
Seriously, do you think a fan of both PS3 and 360 will listen to obvious anti MS bashers? Particularly when there is a stream of pretty dubious rumored problems all of a sudden?
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We need to invent a time machine here in B3D, and go get Robin Hood & his gang to help me. That is what we gotta do.
A lot of expenses related to videogames ahead.
Great news! We are going to enjoy Global Illumination aplenty on the Xbox One. :smile:
http://devmaster.net/posts/3251/geomerics-to-bring-next-generation-lighting-to-xbox-one
A lot of expenses related to videogames ahead.
Great news! We are going to enjoy Global Illumination aplenty on the Xbox One. :smile:
http://devmaster.net/posts/3251/geomerics-to-bring-next-generation-lighting-to-xbox-one
I wish all the games are Xbox One only. The motto is "A new generation of games revealed".
They said there will be news related to the Xbox 360, something which is (allegedly) going to surprise people and extend Xbox 360 lifespan for many years.
I guess the news is that the Xbox 360 will be free if you buy it on hire purchase, with a Xbox Live account. Just guessing...
You may find yields are modelled from specifically targeted wafers during the engineering wafer out lots.
whats this even mean ?
if I was a guessing man, I'd say he is implying there is no free live tier, it's gold all the way.
I think you misunderstood what I meant by "xbone is wuu 2.0" It had nothing to do with the power of the system. It was just about people twisting small details in making the console some beast. If you look back at the wuu thread it had people just like yourself that came up with all these crazy theory that of course were wrong. That how at one point the "lowest" was 600 glfop for the wuu.
As for your questions.
1. Record, first gen to use only one chip in awhile
2. Not a record
3. not a record
4 not a record
I dont think we will ever have a console that uses as much power as the ps360 did. These console should use about half of the launch consoles. I thought we had someone from MS say the system used around 100 watts.
Averagejoe
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Drink a few beers upside down to find out.
His posting style is straight out of the Gantz Ball English scanlations.
Wonder if live gold is going to be tied to this new DRM system because i dont see how it can get much worse.
Seem they are trying to get all the bad news out before E3. I think the megaton will be the price. I can see then launching at $299.
A lot of people will not care about most of this stuff 6 months from now.
Seem they are trying to get all the bad news out before E3. I think the megaton will be the price. I can see then launching at $299.
A lot of people will not care about most of this stuff 6 months from now.
The no paywall for sony makes me doubt this. I don't think Sony is stupid enough to provide free online play again, but you never know.
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