What do you mean? Had looked like it was going to slip? or still could potentially slip?
I think we'd still see a 2013 launch, but similar to what happened with the 360 (no really availability for 6 months or so) if these yields are true.
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What do you mean? Had looked like it was going to slip? or still could potentially slip?
I think we'd still see a 2013 launch, but similar to what happened with the 360 (no really availability for 6 months or so) if these yields are true.
We really dont have much more than that in support of the downclock imo.
Did you go to that website? It looks like a joke LOL.
I agree mostly on your "analysis" of the gaffers.
Matt does seem in the know but his post didn't confirm a downclock.
Bruceleeroy dunno, he's a regular poster maybe with some connections? i dont know that he said anything about the downclock either.
I dont think anybody has confirmed the downclock. Anybody lol. And yet 80% of the posts from the peanut gallery in that thread are people saying "damn this is totally confirmed, yup completely confirmed no question, damn XB1 is definitely doomed".
i wish people would stop the self-congratulating and actually pointedly ask gopher and/or matt if they are confirming the downclock. not counting on it though. matt doesn't post much anyway.
Edit: Bruce is claiming Crazy Buttocks on a Train has "confirmed this (downclock) off site". Crazy is a insider, Rangers confirmed. Though I guess even he has been wrong before.
If true that's kinda scary.
If this is true MS is going to be the biggest fail of all time this gen LOL. And I'm gonna love it.
WE ONLY CARE ABOUT POWER. ITS SO OBVIOUS. WE DONT CARE ABOUT SOFTWARE. WE DONT CARE ABOUT FEATURES. EVERYBODY INTUITIVELY KNOWS THIS. EVERYBODY.
Ms deserves to die if this is really true. It'd be mindboggling. I'm going PC+PS4 (maybe, I just hate the controller) if this is true I wont even bother buying an XB1.
If true it's completely over. Balmer better get fired over this, because Xbox is dead.
Bruceleeroy has sony inside information, same for thuway.. Gopher'd I have never seen anything he has given out, many just collab with rumors. esram issue is a given btw
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61383821&postcount=1315
now he's lumping credible insiders like CBOAT with himself to seem credible lol
now he's lumping credible insiders like CBOAT with himself to seem credible lol
Averagejoe
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It was confirmed by Guerrilla that the hardware done to make the demo wasn't complete,in fact they were even doing audio on the CPU.
So taking that the PS4 will reserve 2 cores based on an old dev kit is not that much accurate either.
Plenty of media outlets have seen the hardware running, while the TV bit was choppy in the wired video it was not bad. We don't even know if it was a weak signal from the sat feed in that video even.
From time-to-time though my media center will momentary stutter when going to a smaller display area.
Saw a few complaints about the channel switching being slow, but I think they are completely forgetting that it could all be from the cable box itself.
It is funny watching gaf over the last few months. Get banned for posting about specs over and above, get crowned a god for posting issues and specs will be lower (even when both end up false on a regular basis). Greatly prefer the level-headed discussion you get here, but I must admit the soap opera at gaf is fun to read at certain times in history.
From time-to-time though my media center will momentary stutter when going to a smaller display area.
Saw a few complaints about the channel switching being slow, but I think they are completely forgetting that it could all be from the cable box itself.
It is funny watching gaf over the last few months. Get banned for posting about specs over and above, get crowned a god for posting issues and specs will be lower (even when both end up false on a regular basis). Greatly prefer the level-headed discussion you get here, but I must admit the soap opera at gaf is fun to read at certain times in history.
It is more accurate than any info we have that Xbone reserves two cores.
So I hope you come out and say Xbone does not reserve two as well, nor 3GB RAM
interestingly a number of (supposed insider) gaffers seem to be laying damage control that xb1 games are going to look great at e3
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61386265&postcount=1358
thats pretty odd to me.
maybe they are just pre-hedging bets. but by known specs i dont see how xb1 games can look stellar compared to ps4, unless the esram really is special sauce.
ugh, the thing i hate about these rumors is they're just left to fester. i just want to know one way or another!
because if this isn't clarified at e3 we have months and months more of fud ahead.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61386265&postcount=1358
thats pretty odd to me.
maybe they are just pre-hedging bets. but by known specs i dont see how xb1 games can look stellar compared to ps4, unless the esram really is special sauce.
ugh, the thing i hate about these rumors is they're just left to fester. i just want to know one way or another!
because if this isn't clarified at e3 we have months and months more of fud ahead.
He didn't say they would look stellar compared to PS4, just that they would look stellar. IMO, even with a potential down clock, Xbone still has enough horsepower to provide stellar looking games compared to last gen.
I have no idea how it will look compared to PS4, but I have no doubt that we'll see a "stellar" improvement over last gen.
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No, about six months ago it was looking likely to slip its 2013 launch date, and I'm guessing that's why we aren't getting Xbox TV this year as MS had to pull engineers off that project to get XB1 out the door.
But I definitely think they're going to launch in 2013, I'll try and find out more about this downclock rumour.
Someone should PM Matt to see if he can confirm the downclock rumour.
HollovVpo1nt
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I'm not sure if you're trying to be sarcastic here, but you're insulting xbox fans who genuinely do care about raw power. One of the reasons I got aboard the Xbox train was because of the console power, and the way games took advantage of that. I've become a fan if certain Xbox IP's over the years and I always want those games to to be represented in the best possible way. I won't be able to play a Halo 5 on the One having seen games that look twice as good on PS4. That was the reason I couldn't get into PS2 games, I experienced much better on Xbox. So any rumour of the Xbox beeing even more weaker is completely devastating to me, because I want the games I love to be represented in the best possible way.
We already have some stellar looking games this old gen, even more so when it has great art direction. So considering the new tech the games will be great, and the devil will be in the finer details don't you think? (particles, effects, render resolution, frame rates, etc)
While I wanted better specs from both companies, I do think at the end of the day I will still be much happier. I just hope the new DS controller does not hurt my hands anymore. I have been a PC gamer since my first 8086 as a kid, not counting Atari 800xl, TI, etc. I am really excited to see what games we are getting for the consoles next week, we are finally at a generation where even bad games should look good. Gone are the days of racing games where you are not sure exactly where the road is turning (xbox/ps2 were god awful here).
I am confused, but maybe this is really telling us something about the 3 competitors, Sony has without any doubt had people working on the PS4 since the PS3 was done, maybe not many but i am pretty sure they had people on the job, looking at the PS3, what went wrong and what they should do to fix it. The Playstation was and is a big part of Sony.
Nintendo.. ehmm well i dunno, decided to build a WII2 with a tablet controller as cheap as possible and sell it for to much, because... pink pigs..?
Microsoft on the other hand, they have had a very busy time doing Tablets, Phones, WIndows 8/RT, Azure, Outlook.com. They have a bunch of brilliant people, but they can only do so much with their time. Maybe they had their resources spread to thin? I just find it .. confusing and a bit unbelievable that they should have lost their focus on XB1. The good thing is that when they need to, they can really throw everything they have at a problem, especially when it's software. Hardware on the other hand..
i've pmed him recently, he doesn't respond.
probably not wanting to get involved in giving out more than terse info, etc.
plus he does not seem to post very much, and that mostly off topic. he probably only even logs in once a day.
It is more accurate than any info we have that Xbone reserves two cores.
So I hope you come out and say Xbone does not reserve two as well, nor 3GB RAM
Those two things are both confirmed by MS from the round table.
http://kotaku.com/the-five-possible-states-of-xbox-one-games-are-strangel-509597078
i wasn't being sarcastic...
timestamp on video? youtube link will do.
Kotaku is often called "loltaku". It's only a rumor if it's by them.
2 cores for PS4 is more confirmed by an actual Sony source.
Yes, Shit Does Happen.
As for IBM my argument is that the Xbox One follows in the footsteps of the 360 design (eDRAM) and then shrink (first APU) and that IBM was heavily involved in that design.
I also have heard that a number of key IBM guys moved to MS for the Xbox One SOC effort.
Also, the common platform alliance involves IBM.
The common platform alliance probably does what Intel does: Runs massive SRAM chips on a new process. (One of the first circuits they run, pretty early in the process development.) It is a key way they characterize yield and performance.
But keep in mind that if it is 6T or 8T then it would seem to be rather similar to the L1 and L2 which I am pretty sure is not having issues. I would be really shocked if the APU portion had issues with the L1 and L2. All of the recent AMD large CPUs have a good chunk of cache on them and I have heard zero about issues there.
Your counter arguments are certainly true as those things did occur. So yes, engineering mistakes happen all the time. But this rumor does not smell right to me at all.
Take a look at this Intel tech PDF:
http://download.intel.com/pressroom/kits/events/idffall_2009/pdfs/IDF_MBohr_Briefing.pdf
What I am saying is strongly rooted in engineering understanding.
That PDF should help with the SNR on this issue. They know LOTS about the SRAM capability long before any CPU manufacturing starts in a process. And those are LARGE SRAMs.
As for IBM my argument is that the Xbox One follows in the footsteps of the 360 design (eDRAM) and then shrink (first APU) and that IBM was heavily involved in that design.
I also have heard that a number of key IBM guys moved to MS for the Xbox One SOC effort.
Also, the common platform alliance involves IBM.
The common platform alliance probably does what Intel does: Runs massive SRAM chips on a new process. (One of the first circuits they run, pretty early in the process development.) It is a key way they characterize yield and performance.
But keep in mind that if it is 6T or 8T then it would seem to be rather similar to the L1 and L2 which I am pretty sure is not having issues. I would be really shocked if the APU portion had issues with the L1 and L2. All of the recent AMD large CPUs have a good chunk of cache on them and I have heard zero about issues there.
Your counter arguments are certainly true as those things did occur. So yes, engineering mistakes happen all the time. But this rumor does not smell right to me at all.
Take a look at this Intel tech PDF:
http://download.intel.com/pressroom/kits/events/idffall_2009/pdfs/IDF_MBohr_Briefing.pdf
What I am saying is strongly rooted in engineering understanding.
That PDF should help with the SNR on this issue. They know LOTS about the SRAM capability long before any CPU manufacturing starts in a process. And those are LARGE SRAMs.
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