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Maybe he got it wrong? April 24 was the day of the Announcement for this may 21 Event.
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Maybe he got it wrong? April 24 was the day of the Announcement for this may 21 Event.
Core gamers are overrated. Are the people that play COD and only COD core gamers? I'd argue no.
Exclusives seem to mean less than they used to. Most of the best games last gen were multi platform.
I guess we'll see how it plays out, but I wouldn't use the mutterings of "core" gamers as a prediction for anything.
Exclusives seem to mean less than they used to. Most of the best games last gen were multi platform.
I guess we'll see how it plays out, but I wouldn't use the mutterings of "core" gamers as a prediction for anything.
What are people inferring from that, if anything? For me, PS4 reveal was interesting only in revealing the platform (and 8 GBs) and showing some next-gen engine stuff, half of which we'd seen before and the other half looking implausible as shown. Althoguh the strategy communication, emphasis on ease of development, was an encouraging message for me. But PS4 did show the first next-gen experience, which was exciting I guess. Killzone could have been any other sci-fi shooter, but the excitemet was seeing the first next-gen console sci-fi shooter and what it'll look like compared to this gen.
Durango's going to show more of the same, so it loses that excitement of, "this is what your future games will look like." And whatever's shown for COD and FIFA will be on PS4 too, so they aren't anything MS can wave about as special, unless they've paid for exclusivity (Megaton!!!!).
For MS to excite/impress me, they'd either need to reveal amazing new hardware, or some amazing new experience. Perhaps Kinect 2 and the vision surrounding that will be awe-inspiring, like scanning you as you use the console and creating a 3D avatar or some sci-fi movie tech. Maybe a fabulous new controller too, like a split-apart dual-stick system that functions as Move and a gamepad. Something unexpected like that coupled with exclusive COD and FIFA features would make something of the reveals. Without that, the COD and FIFA reveals are a great way to get gamers to check out the reveal just to see what the games will be like, but won't necessarily encourage them onto the platform. If the presentation's all about social experience, 'look at all these awesome interruptions to your game and movie with incessant FB and Twitter notifications and Skype PIP video chats and stuff', I'll be decidedly turned off.
Yes, 8 years is not forever. But sure it's a lot of time.If everybody had a large, blank, white wall behind their TV, with their TV mounted on that wall, illumiroom could possibly MAYBE be something. But for people who live in cramped homes, and/or maybe have oddly colored wallpaper along with picture frames and stuff, bookshelves or maybe even windows, it just wouldn't work properly.
Illumiroom looks like something tailor-made for upper middle-class or better people living in US-style single-family homes. Most of the worild isn't like that. It's also an anchor on performance, putting additional drag on an already weakish GPU.
I certainly hope this gadget never becomes a retail product, because it's just a bloody gimmick. Other than that I'm really stoked for this conference, it's been eight friggin years since last MS reveal and it feels like it as well. Holy crud. Teen gamers of today were in junior grade school back then, if they were in school at all!My mate's oldest kid was busy being born around the time when the 360 was revealed...
It's a day before the reveal and my hype is at max. I am super excited about this announcement, now that it seems that there won't be DRM issues.
I know some people can be turn off because of the specs, and that's fine of course, but my hype has yet to dwindle 'cos of that. :smile:
When I am highly anticipating a console, game, etc, I always get my faith in the console paid back in full.
As you say the GPU seems to be a bit weak. But I truly hope that the much rumoured enormous efficiency of the new Xbox helps with that.
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The people that will buy (a) nextgen console this year are core gamers.
They set the trend and foundation for the platform. The first pillar in their circle of influence.
That's why it is crucial that MS impress with durango. If it were simply durango by itself on the market for a year, it wouldn't be nearly as important. But the fact that two viable options will be offered at the same time which are (assumed) not compatible with the previous generation makes whatever differences between the competition stick out that much more when everyone is starting with a clean slate.
I plan to see 1.2TF, I hope to be surprised.
I see your point. I agree being more socially connected might have a bigger affect on the demand for a console. However I would like to point out that as a social component, Live will probably discourages migration.
exactly
and regardless of commenting directly on specs, I think we will hear about that efficiency and how it translates into "a power metric".
Also Shifty is right, these reveal games are merely the hook to get people to watch and get buzz going with gamers and fans of two of the most popular series in the world. the real rubber meeting the road is what secrets in the OS and services and gaming innovations do they have up their sleeve.
...unless there are megaton exclusives in there
Last gen, particularly early on, core gamers bought a LOT of games. If you recall, MS was touting the 360 attach rate for a good long while. What this essentially means is that they were moving software units its as if more consoles were sold than actually were. In fact this is especially important early on when the hardware is selling at a loss. I'm convinced that the rabid rate that core gamers were buying games on 360 early in its lifecycle snowballed into the title parity they have with the competition today.
Short version: Core gamers are important. They buy an inordinate amount of games.
What does it mean to you and I? Not as much as it means for the non-forumgoers who will immediately re-associate Xbox as the COD destination of choice and possibly the same for FIFA, the two most important regional franchises in existence (i think?). Its the same reason why Sony and Microsoft put system bumpers on the end of commercials, mental association between the game and the console.
I think both EA and MS recognize the significance but, more importantly, is that i'm sure Sony does as well, and why MS instead of them?
I said earlier that I do think there may be some level of exclusive something or other for Durango, the same way Sony had for Destiny and Diablo 3. Wasn't there some rumors floating around earlier about a 'strategic partnership' between MS and EA?
EDIT: Here it is.
I think companies are regaining their senses when it comes to games.
We have experienced difficult times because the Wii's success made people feel doubtful, we swam with the current, and we sat on the fence.
But the new trend is the good ol' trend. Look what happened to Wii.
John Riccitiello wrote an open letter to Sony and Microsoft today, where he made some wise comments:
http://kotaku.com/what-the-next-playstation-and-xbox-need-to-get-right-508830626
He also said that the PS4 and Infinity should "avoid alarming DRM schemes".
Is that what happens?
I think it's extremely likely both MS and Sony sell out through the holiday season with the early lead going to who ever can manufacture and distribute more effectively.
As the supply problems start to lift it will be about the games, the exclusives on both platforms and how the overall experience of playing the multiplatform games on the platforms compares. Some of that will be driven by graphics, some by online services, some by what peripherals are in the box.
The second Xmas will give a good indication of who made the right tradeoffs unless someone really drops the ball.
I'm more interested in what MS emphasizes at the reveal and the public reaction to it, than I am seeing more beta next gen footage. I think it will tell us a lot about what MS thinks is important and how they plan to market, the public reaction will be just as interesting. At this point though even if the reaction is poor MS still has E3 to recover.
As the supply problems start to lift it will be about the games, the exclusives on both platforms and how the overall experience of playing the multiplatform games on the platforms compares. Some of that will be driven by graphics, some by online services, some by what peripherals are in the box.
The second Xmas will give a good indication of who made the right tradeoffs unless someone really drops the ball.
I'm more interested in what MS emphasizes at the reveal and the public reaction to it, than I am seeing more beta next gen footage. I think it will tell us a lot about what MS thinks is important and how they plan to market, the public reaction will be just as interesting. At this point though even if the reaction is poor MS still has E3 to recover.
It is.
The casual gamer is easily swayed by what their circle of friends buys/wants and what their "tech expert" of the group advises them on.
They care not what the label is on the box or how many gigawidgets it has. They care if it has the games they like to play and can engage with their friends online (and in person ie games trading/borrowing).
You obviously doubt my convictions on this matter, but the great thing is we will know within a year if I'm right or not.
It all starts tomorrow.
It was essential for the 360 to convince broad support by pubs but thats because the xbox 1 was a 25 million userbase console. The PS3 wasn't encumbered in this fashion so broad support was a given even well before that console was even released into the wild.
The 360 actually gaurantees that MS will have broad support with the 720 until a time its actually shows its not warranted. Durango starts off the next gen on much better footing than the 360 and requires a lot less convincing as a purchase than the 360 early in its life.
One caveat. One can surmise that the 360 attached rate were so high because there was nothing but core gamers buying the system and the 360 had a pretty good lineup for first year offerings (MS focus on easier development probably helped in this area). While the wii and the ps3 had much broader support and took longer to catch up in terms of attach rate because the influence of mainstream and casual gamers as well as AV aficionados who bought the PS3 mostly for BluRay. Furthermore, the PS3 early attach rate was probably additionally hurt by Sony's "its intentionally hard to develop for" mantra while MS benefited from the gap in the quantity of quality offerings between the two early in their life cycle.
Ultimately what drives success isn't the first 10 million as every console (outside of the wii) generates a beginning userbase mostly dominated by core gamers. Its the console's appeal to the mainstream that will determine if devs will provide broad support over the life of the console. The 360 encouraged success by launching a lot of quality titles in the first 2 years of its life. While the PS3 was languished by delays.
Its should be noted that core gamers tend to be multiple console users more so than mainstream or casual gamers so their influence may be mitigated by this fact.
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It might be worse than that, according to Bloomberg:
That's not going to go down well methinks: 'You look like a middle aged man you might be interested in this hemhorroid cream" or "Wow, you're fat, might I suggest Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 3"
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...-xbox-as-apple-to-facebook-gain-in-games.html
I doubt this will be the case due to the general "sameness" that both consoles have.
With Wii, this was the case, as it was a very social experience, but it was not an online connected social experience (same livingroom). It was also not an expensive proposition to enter. And most importantly, it was radically different to anything prior.
I can't say the same WRT either nextgen system (from what I know now).
I don't think either system has a compelling "novelty factor" that would lend itself to a purchase regardless of their circle of friends' purchase.
If one is sold out everywhere and the other is readily available, but the readily available one isn't the one the circle of friends have (isn't the IT console), then it is likely to remain readily available until the desired console is finally on the shelf.
IMO.
Reaction to what, they haven't shown or said anything?
You're making the worst possible inference.
It will recognize your face to match you up with your gamertag, then make suggestions based on the games you play, stuff you watch, rent, listen to, etc. Jeez!
facial recognition and content distribution based on physical metrics is starting to appear everywhere.
Using a built in camera in a system that is also connected to social media anyway seems like a normal extension of that practice.
It will become far more a mainstream issue everywhere in its use compared to an "xbox 720" issue.
CBS just had a story on the proliferation yesterday on it's news program 60 Minutes.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure privacy settings will allow you to have to opt in or out of that feature
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It could usher in the age of self help home care health diagnosis though. "Dave, you're scratching your ass quite a lot. You may want to consult your doctor about possible hemorrhoids." or "I notice a cloudiness in the lens of your right eye. You may have cataracts."
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Ars has their 'what we know to date article' up:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...xpecting-microsoft-to-announce-the-next-xbox/
The stuff on the level of DRM being up to the publisher is something I've heard elsewhere.
Hope they're right on MS removing the always online restriction, that decision will save them a lot of negativity.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...xpecting-microsoft-to-announce-the-next-xbox/
The stuff on the level of DRM being up to the publisher is something I've heard elsewhere.
Hope they're right on MS removing the always online restriction, that decision will save them a lot of negativity.
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