News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

[Nisaaru]

Multiplats are nothing to talk about imo...they will be/should be bought on PC anyway

I bought a lot multiplats mostly for convenience, leisure and pragmatic reasons for my 360 in the last years. So how the console performs with them is supremely important to me. Buying a console only for exclusives is no good business for the console company.

 

[Rangers]

You know there's a possibility that even if Microsoft checks all the boxes (hardware, games, etc) like they're supposed to, people will still be whining about something that they didn't do. And THAT thing will become the downfall of the Xbox platform.

I guess all Sony has to do is show up to E3 and automatically be declared the winner. Alright don't anybody get worked up about that, it's just a joke.

on forums yes, this is actually fairly likely. i'm more concerned with sales in the real world because if we went by forums x360 would have about 10% market share...

 

[Rangers]

I agree that COD reveals and Fifa are being heavily undervalued. This are monstrous reveals to have at the reveal of your new system. I'm not all that excited about COD, but I love Fifa to death. The point is many people the world over go nuts over those two franchises, and to have them both appear at your console's reveal conference, almost as if your console is the preferred target hardware for these titles, is no small or insignificant thing.

Microsoft is smart. They doing what gets the most attention possible. They are going for as loud a reveal as possible, and while some new exclusives may get hardcore gamers going nuts, they won't generate the same degree of press and mainstream excitement as the likes of Fifa and COD at your console's unveiling. And who knows what else they may have planned. As they said, E3 is all about games, tons of exclusives and world premiers. The reveal event is about the team behind the system, the vision for system and then they'll also be teasing some games also, but they're saving up to make the bigger splash for hardcore gamers at E3. I don't see what's wrong with that.

If people believe that Sony didn't more or less do the same thing, then they need to take a harder look at the Sony event.

it shows ms marketing/promotion etc is on the ball, anyway.

sony had destiny, for big multiplat stuff, but i dont think that compares. i would say destiny vs respawn might be kinda a match, but respawn has bigger pull with joe schmoe (i have more interest in destiny)

but then ms pulled cod and fifa too.

 

[Nisaaru]

If people believe that Sony didn't more or less do the same thing, then they need to take a harder look at the Sony event.

You could argue the same about Bungie showing their new game on the PS4 meeting. All that might mean nothing in the end because they are multi platform titles but there's an implied message somebody might perceive.

 

[expletive]

btw speaking of thurrott, just saw this on gaf

1st one supposedly today, 2nd one a month ago...

I'm just about done paying attention to anything he says, he's all over the map.

it shows ms marketing/promotion etc is on the ball, anyway.

sony had destiny, for big multiplat stuff, but i dont think that compares. i would say destiny vs respawn might be kinda a match, but respawn has bigger pull with joe schmoe (i have more interest in destiny)

but then ms pulled cod and fifa too.

I believe the multiplats that Sony showed all had some level exclusivity to them, so maybe its not just advertising and there is actually something substantial attached with these reveals.

 

[kots]

COD and now FIFA .... that's awesome

I really hope PGR is there , that's all i care about .

 

[Grall]

Ilumiroom wouldn't work that well in my room either, depending on how you have to set it up.

If everybody had a large, blank, white wall behind their TV, with their TV mounted on that wall, illumiroom could possibly MAYBE be something. But for people who live in cramped homes, and/or maybe have oddly colored wallpaper along with picture frames and stuff, bookshelves or maybe even windows, it just wouldn't work properly.

Illumiroom looks like something tailor-made for upper middle-class or better people living in US-style single-family homes. Most of the worild isn't like that. It's also an anchor on performance, putting additional drag on an already weakish GPU.

I certainly hope this gadget never becomes a retail product, because it's just a bloody gimmick. Other than that I'm really stoked for this conference, it's been eight friggin years since last MS reveal and it feels like it as well. Holy crud. Teen gamers of today were in junior grade school back then, if they were in school at all! My mate's oldest kid was busy being born around the time when the 360 was revealed...

 

[Rangers]

I'm just about done paying attention to anything he says, he's all over the map.

too be fair he did say the event was delayed from apr 24 to may 21. that turned out true and he was the first/only one saying it before ms made it official iirc.

we'll know more about his credibility after tmrw for sure i guess.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Well I'm happy that tomorrow the wait is over and we'll get to see for sure how they are pitching the product. I hope that for once the Internet stream actually holds up The traffic should be quite high. Should be more pleasant event than the Sony unveiling, because that was at 2am over here and I had a stomach flu and a regular flu going on then haha. 8pm Finnish time works for me!

 

[expletive]

If everybody had a large, blank, white wall behind their TV, with their TV mounted on that wall, illumiroom could possibly MAYBE be something. But for people who live in cramped homes, and/or maybe have oddly colored wallpaper along with picture frames and stuff, bookshelves or maybe even windows, it just wouldn't work properly.

Actually, its designed to enhance those things you think it wont work well for.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

You could argue the same about Bungie showing their new game on the PS4 meeting. All that might mean nothing in the end because they are multi platform titles but there's an implied message somebody might perceive.

That was indeed significant, but the mainstream audience out there don't identify with Bungie and Destiny the way they might with Call of Duty or Fifa. We hardcores get the significance of that, but I think for the most part it's lost on many others.

For example, it's pretty much a guarantee you won't have as many average gamers out there talking about Destiny and Killzone, or even Watch Dogs, as they may be talking about COD and Fifa after this reveal. Fifa and COD are in Grand Theft Auto territory or beyond. We know these games are multiplatform. We aren't foolish enough to fall for the marketing, but for the public at large, what Microsoft is doing is extremely smart.

 

[dobwal]

That problem is easy to solve. Either not offer pointless options beyond the scope of the product(Apple's way) or only make that function available by buying it from the shop....because it's not efficient. Over engineering something only because you need to add something for yet another revision I regard as a blind end.

LOL. Are PCs over engineered? PC would be a more practical example because you have x86 cpus/desktop gpu setups who abilities are underexposed and provide a narrow scope of functionality.

You can preference your argument with the term "I" to denote individual taste (people have the right to value products how they want) but you add nothing more to the discussion then a person who doesn't like Durango because its doesn't provide a shell in their favorite color. Or who wants Durango to be a 8 bit console with a single joystick and button controller because they are legally blind and prefer to game with their feet.

I am not here to convince you that your individual tastes are wrong but how they may or may not be applicable to a significant portion of potential buyers which may positively or negatively affect MS ability capture a portion of the market. But given that doesn't seem to interest you, I will discontinue our discussion.

 

[Tap In]

yea these game reveals show two things to me... MS is not playing about getting support from GAMES.... and evidently devs don't think the machine is too underpowered to have next gen games thrive on it as some try to suggest.

 

[dobwal]

yea these game reveals show two things to me... MS is not playing about getting support from GAMES.... and evidently devs don't think the machine is too underpowered to have next gen games thrive on it as some try to suggest.

I wonder if MS will exact the same strategy as last gen and invest highly in third party exclusivity (titles, DLCs or launch windows).

 

[James Car]

.... and evidently devs don't think the machine is too underpowered to have next gen games thrive on it as some try to suggest.

I haven't seen too many here suggest that durango will be too underpowered to have nextgen games (has anyone said that here?) but I think the consensus is that with the spec announced, it will indeed provide an inferior experience to other consoles launching at the exact same time.

This timeframe is a vulnerable one for MS as they are open for a competitor to steal their userbase if the end user(s) hear/see/infer that there is a better gaming experience available for roughly the same cost (or cheaper if some rumors are to be believed).

I can't wait to see what they unveil and how they plan to capture and excite the core gamer. Regardless what some may be lead to believe with the success of Wii, the core gamer establishes the foundation of a new console. So it will be interesting to see what MS has been cooking up.

 

[dobwal]

I haven't seen too many here suggest that durango will be too underpowered to have nextgen games (has anyone said that here?) but I think the consensus is that with the spec announced, it will indeed provide an inferior experience to other consoles launching at the exact same time.

This timeframe is a vulnerable one for MS as they are open for a competitor to steal their userbase if the end user(s) hear/see/infer that there is a better gaming experience available for roughly the same cost (or cheaper if some rumors are to be believed).

I can't wait to see what they unveil and how they plan to capture and excite the core gamer. Regardless what some may be lead to believe with the success of Wii, the core gamer establishes the foundation of a new console. So it will be interesting to see what MS has been cooking up.

The big question is whether the "inferior" experience can affect the potential of the console with mainstream consumers. Because as you said "core gamers establishes the foundation of a new console" but that happens regardless if the console sells well or not in the long run.

 

[kots]

yea these game reveals show two things to me... MS is not playing about getting support from GAMES.... and evidently devs don't think the machine is too underpowered to have next gen games thrive on it as some try to suggest.

These games are going to be released in every platform under the sun , so it doesn't say much about hardware ...

 

[french toast]

yea these game reveals show two things to me... MS is not playing about getting support from GAMES.... and evidently devs don't think the machine is too underpowered to have next gen games thrive on it as some try to suggest.

Yea that caught my attention as well

 

[expletive]

These games are going to be released in every platform under the sun , so it doesn't say much about hardware ...

I think you mean "Except WiiU," of course.

Its not only about their mere existence but the fact they are premiering...

 

[James Car]

The big question is whether the "inferior" experience can affect the potential of the console with mainstream consumers. Because as you said "core gamers establishes the foundation of a new console" but that happens regardless if the console sells well or not in the long run.

I think the influence of the core gamer (early adopters) will greatly affect the console ecosystem. Significantly more so today than in years/generations past.

We are a much more socially connected society these days, not to mention general information aware (see: wiiu sales failure). This combined with a good chunk of gaming being in online multiplayer games, it becomes vitally important to "get the system your friends are getting".

How big of an impact will 12cus vs 18cus have on screen? in the grand scheme of things, not much IMO. BUT, it will make a difference and it may be enough to sway the opinions of enough members of online groups/friend lists to make a sizable change in userbase.

Of course, this is all assuming that the spec we have is correct and that there is nothing else up their sleeve...