Microsoft Xbox Reveal Event - May 21, 2013

[-tkf-]

why couldn't MS just make it so any disc games could be played offline if you have the disc in the tray but if you are online and validate that you are the owner can play from HDD without disc in tray?

am I not thinking that through... it's late here.

You would still need to activate the game in some way, essential the thing you are suggesting is the same model as we have now. Disc = valid game = play. Buy a used disc = play game.

I suggested the same earlier, and came to think of the wrongs

Also if you know you are not gong to be able to be connected *which honestly I still do not understand why you wouldn't except for the sake of argument) you simply don't buy DD games.

If you buy a DD game you are likely to understand the limitations of the game. But we are still to see the lawsuits when DD games stop working on the current consoles.. they will come and they are hopefully going to hurt Sony and Microsoft.

 

[betan]

You would still need to activate the game in some way, essential the thing you are suggesting is the same model as we have now. Disc = valid game = play. Buy a used disc = play game.

It's not same, you need a connection for first use/install, but not for subsequent ones (with disc).

That said, there is one minor potential case for abuse but it's a very inconvenient one.
If MS (or Sony) has any sense at all, they would implement it this way.

 

[NavNucST3]

Ok, while this might be inconsequential to a bunch of people (read almost everyone) but I'm actually hoping this TV thing comes to fruition as envisioned in the reveal. My son has a 40" TV in his room but for the most part I consider myself a one screen household since the projector is the center of almost all of our in-home entertainment.

To many gamers who really do only turn on their consoles to play games, they can't see, how or why Kinect or even my Harmony remote offer anything of value on a console. Well, my 360 is on constantly whether playing music through the marketplace or watching netflix/amazon or video marketplace and I'm typically doing other things as well (normally cooking) and its just so much faster for me to say xbox pause than to walk back over to my living room and grab the Harmony which would still be faster than walking to the living room and grabbing the controller which would need to be turned on just to pause or even rewind/fast forward...

...anyway that isn't what I was thinking of, just a tangent at how some of us media + games folks use the available tools we have.

Really, what I like about the One is being able to stay in a single system and actually be able to watch either Michigan football (Wolverines), the Bears, Blackhawks, La Liga, and Champions League all without worrying about the damn "Blackout Restrictions Apply" when trying to do those same things through any of the apps that are offered on the 360 or online or worse, as was the case with the ESPN app, La Liga disappearing/RM vs Barca not available.

If MSFT secures some really good co-marketing deals with EA for Madden + their NFL deal, they might be able to move a significant quantity of boxes. If I recall Madden servers get swamped at half-time during the Super Bowl. If they (EA+NFL+MS) have commercials demonstrating that before the big game I think MS will do very well in the states especially if they all play-up an "Interactive Super Bowl". Same could be said for college football and the bowl games though EA is always purposefully lagging NCAA property behind Madden and dealing with all the different parties in College Football has to be a nightmare.


I still have no clue how I'd make the One work in my place but there is one IP that would get me to have someone come out and replace the USB2 cabling in my walls... 1vs100 or something akin to it, it already looks like we're getting Crackdown 3 so 1vs100 would do it for me!

 

[JPT]

Ok, while this might be inconsequential to a bunch of people (read almost everyone) but I'm actually hoping this TV thing comes to fruition as envisioned in the reveal.

I think its way cool stuff, the problem here is more if MS will be able to drive in the gamer to line up and buy the console day one, to kickstart its assault on the living room.
To me this looks like a scenario where the consumers are always screaming for inovation and but what they want is just iteration.
And MS delivers inovation and not iteration and people go of the walls mad

The question is then, if the gamer decides to sit on the fence in regards to X1, will MS be able to get the "casual" users to adopt it in a high enough volume fast enough?
Are there enough people that will buy it just because of its TV and NFL features?

Last time around, Sony got flack because it was perceived that to many bought the PS3 just for the Blue-Ray. Now MS is getting flack because they have not catered to the gamers yet.

This seems to be a bold choice for MS, since if they pushed just the gamer aspect, everybody would think of the X1 as a console, but MS wants it to be your entertainment hub.
While Sony is expected to be an entertainment hub even if they do not show the features. Since they already are a presence in the causal living room with TV's,Blue-Ray players etc.

Will MS succeed, I think a lot will depend on how they pull of E3. And the way they are handling the press and questions at the moment, seems like they aren't sure that they will hit it out of the park at E3. If E3 shows that MS has the "best" gaming machine, then the TV stuff is just a bonus addon. If Sony has the "best" gaming machine, then the TV stuff is bloat the gamers did not want
If the machines are equal then its just about getting the most bang for the buck, so the formula is easy if you want to win.

Build the best machine for games and entertainment and have the lowest selling price, while making a gazilion in profit. This business shenanigans is not hard at all

And I am very very very much looking forward to see how the TV features are supported/will work outside of the USA. EU is a big Sony region and TV over here is just like different from country to country. I am afraid that UK will get most/all, but the rest of us, ie smaller countries like Norway will not be supported.
Then again MS has managed to launch a video store in Norway, which Sony hasn't, so who knows. I am looking forward to the next gen. Even though I thought I would go for a steambox solution, instead of a console this time around.

 

[BRiT]

Some of the posts dealing with used-games were moved to the following topic: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=63621 - Possible ways to gain second-hand revenues for developers. *rename

 

[wco81]

Nope. Looks like XB1 requires a connection every 24 hours to recheck your content. Personally I could care less. It's not a deal breaker for me & I'm not jumping ship to PS4 over that.

Tommy McClain

What would be a deal breaker?

 

[Cranky]

Ok, while this might be inconsequential to a bunch of people (read almost everyone) but I'm actually hoping this TV thing comes to fruition as envisioned in the reveal. My son has a 40" TV in his room but for the most part I consider myself a one screen household since the projector is the center of almost all of our in-home entertainment.

To many gamers who really do only turn on their consoles to play games, they can't see, how or why Kinect or even my Harmony remote offer anything of value on a console. Well, my 360 is on constantly whether playing music through the marketplace or watching netflix/amazon or video marketplace and I'm typically doing other things as well (normally cooking) and its just so much faster for me to say xbox pause than to walk back over to my living room and grab the Harmony which would still be faster than walking to the living room and grabbing the controller which would need to be turned on just to pause or even rewind/fast forward...

...anyway that isn't what I was thinking of, just a tangent at how some of us media + games folks use the available tools we have.

Really, what I like about the One is being able to stay in a single system and actually be able to watch either Michigan football (Wolverines), the Bears, Blackhawks, La Liga, and Champions League all without worrying about the damn "Blackout Restrictions Apply" when trying to do those same things through any of the apps that are offered on the 360 or online or worse, as was the case with the ESPN app, La Liga disappearing/RM vs Barca not available.

If MSFT secures some really good co-marketing deals with EA for Madden + their NFL deal, they might be able to move a significant quantity of boxes. If I recall Madden servers get swamped at half-time during the Super Bowl. If they (EA+NFL+MS) have commercials demonstrating that before the big game I think MS will do very well in the states especially if they all play-up an "Interactive Super Bowl". Same could be said for college football and the bowl games though EA is always purposefully lagging NCAA property behind Madden and dealing with all the different parties in College Football has to be a nightmare.


I still have no clue how I'd make the One work in my place but there is one IP that would get me to have someone come out and replace the USB2 cabling in my walls... 1vs100 or something akin to it, it already looks like we're getting Crackdown 3 so 1vs100 would do it for me!

Wow! A reasoned and cogent post, what a rarity. LOL.

I cannot understand why everyone has their panties in twist over the live TV / living room angle. All of the supposed issues like streaming etc are going to function perfectly fine. As mentioned in the post of above, MS already has those functions reasonable well sorted. What has been lacking so far is live TV integration. They rightly focused on live and social as that is clearly the new paradigm where TV is bifurcated into must see live and timeshifted.

There is massive value inherent of a consistent home entertainment network that seamlessly provides all of the families needs. I hope when the new 360 is announced at E3 this home network idea is further developed, and I hope that the xbox surface is real as well. I could see my family having 1 or 2 XB1, 2 or 3 360 minis and couple of surfaces, all providing a unified home network. As I posted previously, I had really hoped that the xbox surface server/tablet rumor from last summer was real.

 

[blakjedi]

The 24 hours was refuted for other MS guys. The latest:

Internet required for setup and cloud things.

Thank you for pointing this out. great read.

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

Really, what I like about the One is being able to stay in a single system and actually be able to watch either Michigan football (Wolverines), the Bears, Blackhawks, La Liga, and Champions League all without worrying about the damn "Blackout Restrictions Apply" when trying to do those same things through any of the apps that are offered on the 360 or online or worse, as was the case with the ESPN app, La Liga disappearing/RM vs Barca not available.

I love you man, and I agree with your overall premise and the rest of your post, but how'd you get the idea that the One is going to circumvent blackout rules? Or did I read the above wrong?

1vs100 or something akin to it, it already looks like we're getting Crackdown 3 so 1vs100 would do it for me!

I've said it before, 1v100 was such a huge step forward it was a horror when they cancelled it due to costs. It's exactly where MS wants to go, it was totally inline with their vision, and it was a fairly well polished product to boot. (and I mean that to say it was almost perfect, but it did have some hiccups). It was exactly what many of us always wanted. The ability to not just watch game shows on TV but actually participate. It was truly the melding of Gaming & TV. Stop spending so much money on these other things and fund another 1v100. Get your install base up and more people will be spending their time watching & interacting with that.

 

[AzBat]

Ok, while this might be inconsequential to a bunch of people (read almost everyone) but I'm actually hoping this TV thing comes to fruition as envisioned in the reveal. My son has a 40" TV in his room but for the most part I consider myself a one screen household since the projector is the center of almost all of our in-home entertainment.

To many gamers who really do only turn on their consoles to play games, they can't see, how or why Kinect or even my Harmony remote offer anything of value on a console. Well, my 360 is on constantly whether playing music through the marketplace or watching netflix/amazon or video marketplace and I'm typically doing other things as well (normally cooking) and its just so much faster for me to say xbox pause than to walk back over to my living room and grab the Harmony which would still be faster than walking to the living room and grabbing the controller which would need to be turned on just to pause or even rewind/fast forward...

...anyway that isn't what I was thinking of, just a tangent at how some of us media + games folks use the available tools we have.

Both of our uses are similar. I don't have an awesome projector, but my Xbox 360 in the living room is the center of all of our entertainment & is almost always on. I also have Kinect & it is a great tool. I love being able to use the voice vs my Harmony too, but I just wished it worked a little better. It's very sensitive to outside noises & so it don't always hear you. I'm hoping the new Kinect has a much better listening capability. Anyway, I agree gamers just don't understand the appeal of how the XB1 will redefine our entertainment experience.

I still have no clue how I'd make the One work in my place but there is one IP that would get me to have someone come out and replace the USB2 cabling in my walls... 1vs100 or something akin to it, it already looks like we're getting Crackdown 3 so 1vs100 would do it for me!

I'm already buying it & I've already reserved myself to getting it launch, but there might be a couple things that might rethink that: pricing & games. But I agree if there is a 1vs100 experience, then it's day 1 purchase. It's really a shame they didn't see how cool & how loved that experience was. You'd thought they would have done something more than Full House Poker. Sorry, but that just didn't do it for me. The whole appeal of 1vs100 was being a free trivia game that appeals to literally everybody, but also the chance to be in the spotlight when thousands of other players are watching. All the while you're experiencing with your closest friends in a party. There has been no other experience that has even approached that. Let's hope they do something like that again.

Tommy McClain

 

[AzBat]

What would be a deal breaker?

To give up on Xbox One altogether? Honestly, probably nothing. Eventually I will get one, just a matter of time & money. I'll probably pass at launch if it's too expensive like a $500 SKU and a Live Gold price hike. I'm not made of money & my wife doesn't work, so I'm price sensitive. I've saved some money, but I was hoping to be able to sell my 360 to help out. Now that it's not backward compatible I have to either keep my existing system or go with the rumored Xbox Mini. I might consider that as an interim solution. But if it doesn't have a DVD drive, then they better have a plan to convert discs to digital versions. If not, it would be a non-starter. My gut says that the rumored Xbox Mini will be targeted at new users. So I don't see them doing a trade-in on discs or even offering some kind discounted upgrade program.

Tommy McClain

 

[BoardBonobo]

Thank you for pointing this out. great read.

It's hard to keep up with each of these MS statements, they seem to contradict each other, or swap from night to day, on the flip of a coin! Hopefully E3 will be slightly less soaked in PR effluent...

 

[dagamer]

Ok, while this might be inconsequential to a bunch of people (read almost everyone) but I'm actually hoping this TV thing comes to fruition as envisioned in the reveal. My son has a 40" TV in his room but for the most part I consider myself a one screen household since the projector is the center of almost all of our in-home entertainment.

To many gamers who really do only turn on their consoles to play games, they can't see, how or why Kinect or even my Harmony remote offer anything of value on a console. Well, my 360 is on constantly whether playing music through the marketplace or watching netflix/amazon or video marketplace and I'm typically doing other things as well (normally cooking) and its just so much faster for me to say xbox pause than to walk back over to my living room and grab the Harmony which would still be faster than walking to the living room and grabbing the controller which would need to be turned on just to pause or even rewind/fast forward...

...anyway that isn't what I was thinking of, just a tangent at how some of us media + games folks use the available tools we have.

Really, what I like about the One is being able to stay in a single system and actually be able to watch either Michigan football (Wolverines), the Bears, Blackhawks, La Liga, and Champions League all without worrying about the damn "Blackout Restrictions Apply" when trying to do those same things through any of the apps that are offered on the 360 or online or worse, as was the case with the ESPN app, La Liga disappearing/RM vs Barca not available.

If MSFT secures some really good co-marketing deals with EA for Madden + their NFL deal, they might be able to move a significant quantity of boxes. If I recall Madden servers get swamped at half-time during the Super Bowl. If they (EA+NFL+MS) have commercials demonstrating that before the big game I think MS will do very well in the states especially if they all play-up an "Interactive Super Bowl". Same could be said for college football and the bowl games though EA is always purposefully lagging NCAA property behind Madden and dealing with all the different parties in College Football has to be a nightmare.


I still have no clue how I'd make the One work in my place but there is one IP that would get me to have someone come out and replace the USB2 cabling in my walls... 1vs100 or something akin to it, it already looks like we're getting Crackdown 3 so 1vs100 would do it for me!

Also want to point out that Microsoft bought a home automation company. Kinect is not just some random "flail my arms in the air" kind of thing. It truly is attempting to be the next big thing. "Room lights off", "Set oven to 350", "Set room temp to 72", etc.. If that shit worked, it would absolutely blow the socks off as much as when Steve Jobs demoed the iPhone back in 2007.

Voice is clearly the next "touch".

 

[Silent_Buddha]

I don't really understand why MS really needs the 24h check to keep some persistent license state. They should just let the owner handle the game license state. If you first buy a game you lock it to your account. If you want to sell it, lent it or just take it over to your friends house you need to unlock it from your account first.

That has the nice side effect that it adds a moral hazard to the used market as people need to trust others when buying their stuff from ebay. It also increases the work for rent outlets during the check in phase which might make the whole operation not profitable any longer.

Do I miss something here?

And just how do you enforce that license if you don't have a check in? By telepathy?

If you could just put in a game, activate it's license then put it offline you can then in theory give it to another person who then activates it which deactivates it on your account {which doesn't matter since your offline). That person in turn goes offline then gives the disk to someone else who activates it then gives it to someone else who activates it then gives it to someone else who activates it.

Then you just wait until you finish playing the game before going online again. Even better coordinate with a bunch of friends. Or a local gaming group. Buy 5 games. Then do that process with 100 people. Yay, that's now 490 lost sales.

If you do it the traditional method where you just pass around a disk from one person to another when you are done, that would likely take over a year to generate that many lost sales from just 5 game disks.

Sony will not be doing anything different when it comes to this.

Regards,
SB

 

[Tap In]

And just how do you enforce that license if you don't have a check in? By telepathy?

If you could just put in a game, activate it's license then put it offline you can then in theory give it to another person who then activates it which deactivates it on your account {which doesn't matter since your offline). That person in turn goes offline then gives the disk to someone else who activates it then gives it to someone else who activates it then gives it to someone else who activates it.

Then you just wait until you finish playing the game before going online again. Even better coordinate with a bunch of friends. Or a local gaming group. Buy 5 games. Then do that process with 100 people. Yay, that's now 490 lost sales.

If you do it the traditional method where you just pass around a disk from one person to another when you are done, that would likely take over a year to generate that many lost sales from just 5 game disks.

Sony will not be doing anything different when it comes to this.

Regards,
SB

yes all over the net THIS is the situation that people seem to be ignoring/forgetting

 

[liolio]

I lived without internet for one week and half, that is not as tough as I would have thought

I missed the Xbox One announcement (awful name imho), read really short summary about it but I read nothing about pricing, did I miss something?

Other than that I think that MSFT approach of that product was centered way too much on the US market, I think they won't make any step forward in Japan and in Europe they are going to do two steps backward.
Speaking only for my-self, I'm back in Europe and whatever the xbox one does with regard to media it seems all of sudden a lot less relevant to me.

 

[BRiT]

You didn't miss the pricing thing -- it has not been revealed yet. No price has been set for either company's next-gen console.

 

[MfA]

If you could just put in a game, activate it's license then put it offline you can then in theory give it to another person who then activates it which deactivates it on your account

Or it simply tells you that you have to deactivate it online on the original box first before it can be installed on another one.

 

[MfA]

I lived without internet for one week and half, that is not as tough as I would have thought

That's one week and a half too long to be able to continue playing games on a xbox one it seems

 

[liolio]

You didn't miss the pricing thing -- it has not been revealed yet. No price has been set for either company's next-gen console.

Thanks for the update

That's one week and a half too long to be able to continue playing games on a xbox one it seems

Well I used to play Diablo 3 a lot lately... those policies can be bothering indeed still it is a corner case, I moved back to my country, in a old house (by the way renovating is a painful and slow process ), quite a complicated process (order phones, sign up with an ISP, etc.).
In some way it is also relieving (to be freed from the web, it is addictive, very addictive)>