We shouldn't make the assumption that the focus of the reveal is the focus of the entire console. I'm not trying to be apologetic, but I think in hindsight had Microsoft known how much backlash they would have gotten from people basically constantly saying "where are the games?" they would have pushed 1-2 more franchises out there. Then again, hardcore gamers seem to have terrible memories. The PS4 announcement was quite honestly piss poor in terms of actual games. They showed of sizzle reals, and at one point Square-Enix showed off a year old tech demo. For a conference that was 2 hours, that's a serious waste of my time (and a worse offender).
Microsoft Xbox Reveal Event - May 21, 2013
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We shouldn't make the assumption that the focus of the reveal is the focus of the entire console. I'm not trying to be apologetic, but I think in hindsight had Microsoft known how much backlash they would have gotten from people basically constantly saying "where are the games?" they would have pushed 1-2 more franchises out there. Then again, hardcore gamers seem to have terrible memories. The PS4 announcement was quite honestly piss poor in terms of actual games. They showed of sizzle reals, and at one point Square-Enix showed off a year old tech demo. For a conference that was 2 hours, that's a serious waste of my time (and a worse offender).
yep they hit the tone they wanted with the larger audience, partners and investors.
Gamers will be well served at E3, I'd wager.
Bagel seed
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What do you mean it was piss poor? They showed a ton of in engine or real time footage at PS4s event.
When I said focus I did not imply "focusing on gaming vs non gaming areas". I meant in those non-gaming areas they were focusing on, what these areas were.
Yeah but in that respect we are the same. We both want them to do those extra things well and better. But as I said its not that it does extra things my gripe. Its what these extra things are and how it does themI'm talking about a device that does those extra things WELL, not a device that half asses them just to be able to fill in the checkboxes.
I know nothing of EU or UK TV services , can someone tell me if this will help EU/UK users wrt media options if it comes to pass?
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/409043/sky-to-explore-opportunities-on-xbox-one/
There was a rumor yesterday that they had deals with Sky and Canal+ but those were premature. I assume they are negotiating?
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/409043/sky-to-explore-opportunities-on-xbox-one/
There was a rumor yesterday that they had deals with Sky and Canal+ but those were premature. I assume they are negotiating?
RancidLunchmeat
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Go watch it again. They showed nothing, what they said about their social/entertainment functions are exponentially behind what MS demoed (you can pause a game and restart from where you were! Joy. MS showed how you can get a skype call in the middle of playing a game, chat while still playing the game, pause the game to watch a movie and go back to the game. But hey, on the PS4, you can pause!)
And then they said interesting things like.. "We have a secondary chip that can be downloading updates to your games while you're playing a game, or even when the power is off!"
Hmmm.. How's it going to do that if the console isn't actually always on and always connected?
Somehow that's a big No-No for the One, but for the PS4, it's okay. Gotcha.
People are also concerned about Kinect being mandatory (although you can turn off the camera), and how big brother is going to break in your house through your broadband connection.
Yet, Sony said predictability is important, and what we want to do is determine based upon your preferences what games you might want to buy and download and install them in the background without you knowing so if you choose to buy the game you can start playing immediately!
Hey.. Uhhh.. Wait... What? Did you just say you are going to download crap to my console without my approval based upon some algorithm? Yes, yes they did.
People talk about MS ads being bad (and I don't mind them, but can't necessarily totally disagree in concept), Sony isn't just giving you ads. They're going to download the games they want to sell to you to your console and then, presumably, tell you that "Hey! Why don't you check out Killzone 3000, we've already downloaded it for you and it's only $59.99 to buy!"
And their statements about their dedicated video compression and decompression (the same tech that allows you to view other players as they play and jump into the games with them), is also dubious. The example that showed was one player that was playing the game, and another player in the corner watching them play. That means the other player was on a camera. How is that going to work? Is the camera also going to be a requirement for the PS4? If not, how is all this dedicated processing going to work?
Go re-watch the PS4 presentation. They didn't show a lot of stuff in action, but the stuff they did talk about sounds very similar to the very things that "gamers" are getting upset about. Cameras being required, always on, always connected, etc..
In essence, it sounds like the key ideas are parallel between Sony & MS as are the requirements. The only difference it seems to me, is that MS has focused more on those entertainment/social aspects and will provide a deeper experience. While Sony hasn't dedicated the same resources or hardware and therefore the actual pure gaming experience (most likely only IQ) will be superior.
Oh, the Sony conference bits are around 24:13 in their reveal. And yes, further discussion along these lines might be inappropriate for this thread.
If you install a Xbox 360 disc game to the HDD you are still required to have the disc in the drive when you play. That's what we're talking about here, not direct download games(GoD). Harrison said that the XB1 will basically work the same way as the disc install method. Except you won't need the disc to play this time around, but it will authenticate the game via the Internet every 24 hours. Effectively there's no difference between the 2 systems. I don't have much problem with this.
How the trading works is another story. If they allow you to de-activate a game, do they give you any credit back? Or will you have to get that back at the retailer? The latter sounds like their method. You take the game to a retailer to trade-in, they check to see if it's deactivated. If it is, they give you some credit & then they in turn re-sell it. The next question then becomes does the retailer send a portion of the sale back to Microsoft? Or does the new owner have to do that? Lots of questions, but I think it's doable. It looks either way Microsoft & the publisher/developer will be getting a cut & that's fine by me.
Tommy McClain
Yes, this is for GoD, Arcade, XBLIG & all your other digital content. I don't expect that to change on XB1. 360 disc games work differently, that's what's changing on XB1.
Tommy McClain
There is no inherent reason why that's necessary though, it can just read the disc ID, online authenticate it and then let you play offline indefinitely (and online de-authenticate it if you want to "sell" the game).
Until your internet connection is gone at the wrong moment and you want to still play a game.
Bagel seed
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What are you going on about? I was replying to dagamer who said PS4's event was piss poor in actual games. Which it wasn't.
RancidLunchmeat
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You're talking about this?
http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...ream_device_has_arrived_and_it_s_made_by.html
Because that quote, at least, doesn't say anything about repeated authentications. It says only if another console wants to play that same disc, an unspecified fee would need to be paid.
Not that I think that's a very good idea, either.
A better scheme would allow you to DL the game and then use online authentication whenever the disk isn't present. When offline, you must have the disk present. If the authentication service detects the game is currently being or recently been used off site, then it won't re-authenticate until you provide the disk.
RancidLunchmeat
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Not reading closely enough and doing too many things at once. You're right, he did specify actual games. I was talking about the event as a whole.
Although I agree, but if the PC game pirating is any indication I can see them being concerned with giving out an indefinite license to a game. They're trying to protect themselves from the pirates trying to find a way around the DRM. Considering I'm not a pirate, I don't have a problem with it.
Almost all of my movies & TV shows are watched online. Hasn't been a problem in the last 6 years or so. Internet is very important in my house. I don't pay for cable or satellite TV or a telephone landline & I've been doing it for years. Always online & connected has been my way of life for a long time. Sucks that other people are not, but that's life.
Tommy McClain
yes and I just remembered that On Demand movies on my DirecTV service are all internet based.
the DVR DL's from the internet connection that is always on, always updating and DL/stream if I order a movie/tv show. There are quite a few DirectV households and I bet not one of them ever lost their minds over it needing to be connected all the time and DL in the background, or needing that connection to use the 1000's of movies and tv shows it promises you can watch at any moment
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