Microsoft Xbox Reveal Event - May 21, 2013

I can't argue with that.
It seems that this is their way of getting into our living room.

But I wonder if the things it can provide, are US only, (does the rest of the world have cable, or is it required?) and personally, I wanted to see more games.

 

No, it was in the plan from the very start.

 

But this is important aspect...this was a pure US show today, not a good way of presenting something for world wide market. I mean...nearly 10min for NFL exclusive deal, really?!? No one cares for NFL...except jokers wife!

 

Cloud computing is totally unrealistic in any kind of near-term timeframe, the creaky internet infrastructure in large parts of the US - one of the most developed countries on earth - will make sure of that. Add, even worse situation globally, people using overloaded cellular networks with hundreds of ms latency, data caps capping out etc. You literally CAN'T build your game to rely on cloud computing when you can't rely on cloud computing, so right now this is just MS hype to hype up something that does not exist and in fact cannot exist right now except for people living in densely populated urban environments.

The new kinect sensor undressed nekkid looks really intriguing. Looks like there's three fat bigass IR LEDs sitting on the middle of the circuit board. Really really huge dies, biggest mofos I've ever seen actually, and three of them. Seems they've abandoned the pinprick pattern approach, and instead strobe the lightsource and measure time-to-target to measure depth.

 

The PS4 can't do what? Swap fast between apps/tv or the Cloud thing? I fail to see where the PS4 shouldn't be able to do Cloud stuff like the One, it is afterall in the cloud. But the Cloud thing will really, and i mean REALLY have to take off with mind blowing need games.. Thing is, we have cloud now, we have had those clouds for.. well a long time, and the chance to use it on the PC games and PS3/XBOX 360 has been there for a long time as well.

But of course, it will play right into the hands of Simcity 5 the ONE version

 

So maybe you are putting other things higher than they are?

 

Can someone explain the rational behind the name One? Confuses me...dud they explain it?

 

Yes, we do have cable and IPTV. In fact IPTV is getting more and more popular as people go for one-stop-providers (IP phone, DSL/Cable, TV etc in one deal).

The weak part about US companies, incl. Apple, that due to the lack of a single market for content (those bloody rightsholder, who mostly protect the rights of US media companies btw) all those extra services (Netflix, MLB, NBA, Amazon etc) don't mean a thing in most countries.

 

I'm a little unclear as to why one would need three operating systems rather than a single operating system with a competent scheduler, honestly.

Edit: I guess it makes it easier for three separate teams to put their own software into the same box, but..

 

768 operations per cycle on the GPU... vgleaks confirmed

 

from engadget feed

 

OK, prior to this I wasn't considering buying a new Xbox, but now I am. Some comments.

2x wireless 802.11n transmitters. They are definitely serious about the connected nature of the box.

Cloud system. MMO's, already leverage gameplay remotely. Even action MMO's which includes shooters. If ALL gameplay (AI, etc.) can be run from the internet well enough for an FPS, cloud computing certainly should be leverageable by game developers for small chunks of a game. Remember, unlike something like Gaikai, there is no latency spent for video encoding.

One simple thing I could think of is an open world game where a developer could have far more AI controlled NPCs to make the world feel more alive and less empty. AI that can be significantly more varied and robust due to not competing for computing resources that a game would need for actual gameplay. Gameplay affecting, no. Game changing with regards to immersion and removing virtually empty open worlds that we've had up until now? Possibly. Imagine being in New York City or Paris or Tokyo and having the streets filled with people all run by a relatively robust AI. Something that is absolutely impossible to do even on a massive PC featuring a Core i7 at 3+ Ghz. But certainly possible if you can leverage cloud computing.

Of course, anything that makes extensive use of cloud computing will need an online connection. But that's no different than MMOs which both consoles will have. As I've stated multiple times already. Both PS4 and Xbox One are going to have games that require an online connection in order to play.

Also, I'm not sure why people think Europe is necessarily out of it. What if Microsoft has a partnership formed in Europe with FIFA similar to what they have in the US with the NFL? There's nothing that says that Microsoft can't partner with internet TV providers in Europe.

Oh speaking of Comcast. People do realize that a lot of what Comcast has available is available to be accessed online and not just through a physical cable connection? Which means that if Xbox One is able to leverage that, then nothing prevents something similar with regards to TV in Europe, Asia, or wherever.

Also interesting that Xbox One actually does have multiple OSes with each running in its own VM.

Regards,
SB

 

Over 200GB/s bandwidth? i wasn't really listening.

 

MS developer talking head whatsisname claims 768 ops/cycles on the GPU.

 

Over 200GB/s bandwidth? Did i hear that right?

 

Live TV only USA at release:


http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/21/xbo...n-us-only-at-launch-requires-separate-device/

Also, what separate device??

 

768 operations per clock on the GPU (from twitch) so 1.2TF confirmed.

 

GPU 768 ops per cycle. Did he say over 200GB/s of total bandwidth?

 

My interpretation is that games and apps are sandboxed.

A bit complicated software engineering if you ask me, though the overhead of virtualization is not that much these days. As a console needs stability, it ensures that the OS keeps running when a game crashes or screw up. On the other hand, you can do this stuff also at the hardware level (MMU, semaphores etc).