If PS3 can really do 1Tflops

I'm joking to the effect that Xbots are always so quick to point that out on PS2 games, but you can't deny the generally drab colors and graininess that appear in those pictures. They are there before your very eyes.

It kind of shines a light that a game can still be great and well awaited, even though it may not have the most vivid colors featured in the last Mario game, right? Compelling artwork and execution can be every bit as valuable as a pristinely "special-effected" image. Did you learn anything today?
 
If the PS3 could really do 1 TFLOPS? Nothing would change...sorry. Xbox2 and GCN2 is based on a different architectural design philosophy so it doesn't need a load of general computing power. Look and PS2 then look at Xbox and GCN and you'll see the same story with PS3, only difference this time SONY won't have the luxury of a head start not only that developers don't have alot of time to get familiar with programming like they did with PS2 ;)
 
randycat99 said:
I'm joking to the effect that Xbots are always so quick to point that out on PS2 games, but you can't deny the generally drab colors and graininess that appear in those pictures. They are there before your very eyes.

It kind of shines a light that a game can still be great and well awaited, even though it may not have the most vivid colors featured in the last Mario game, right? Compelling artwork and execution can be every bit as valuable as a pristinely "special-effected" image. Did you learn anything today?

Wow, you sure are quick to take a jab at me, again. :LOL:

Too bad though i dont make judgement just from screens. I played PDO and i safely say no PS2 game can even come close to its level of beauty, artwork(imho) and technicality wise. :oops:
 
chaperone said:
Too bad though i dont make judgement just from screens.

Hey, say anything! We believe you.

I played PDO and i safely say no PS2 game can even come close to its level of beauty, artwork(imho) and technicality wise. :oops:

Suffice to say, we don't need to see you post anymore screenshots as proof of some nebulous point since you now realize that playing the game is more revealing and rewarding than looking at posted pix? Could we be so lucky? We don't need to see any more of your judgements on PS2 stuff because we know you aren't playing them to enjoy them.
 
I turn AA, AF on and high res, all PC games I got still look like crap. I need some new game that look nice, got any recommendation ? Outside FPS and RTS, I am kinda bored with those genre.

Well with those two genres it's about keeping the frame rates up, so the first thing to go is fidelity. Sims (note the lack of the, "The") are a decent place to start. I'm a fan of racing games, but I need more cash for a new wheel. Mind you I haven't played many games for an extended period of time in a while. Well unless you count Natural Selection. But that game looks like ASS! Most of the time, I either play for a few at a friends or look at it on my computer, say, "neat" and uninstall it because I've got too much homework.

Anyways, I gotta run, I have many final projects due.
 
Its funny cause with the n64,saturn,psx... the screenshots looked better than the game. But with the dreamcast the screenshots looked worse.


Anyway the leaps are going to get small in the visual department. Its going to take more and more power to make any visual jumps. You may not agree with me but soon you willl see for your self. Some will claim till the end of time the ps3 is all that and a bag of chips . Some will see it for what it is (the next jump in graphics) Some will bash it for sucking compared to systems that are just like it. But none of that will matter since we'll be talking about the ps4
 
No, you were right about PDO's graphics the first time, randycat99.

I agree with you.


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Lazy8s said:
No, you were right about PDO's graphics the first time, randycat99.

I agree with you.

The shots look way better that what I've seen on my display with PDO on X-BOX running 480p progressive in 16:9 aspect ratio.

The AA in the shots are so damn good and clean but not what I see in game, let alone the shimmering textures.
 
No, you're misunderstanding me! I'm posting these screenshots because they show how bad the game looks. You can just imagine how much worse it becomes in motion, with its 60 frames per second and progressive scan and its countless layers of multitextures and impossibly organic-looking character skinning during animation.

Phil had it right when he said:
"Even the Xbox guy at Gamespot was disappointed upon playing the game - or after he had played Z.O.E.2. Take that as you will..."

I mean, can't you just sense the disapointment from the Xbox PDO reviewer at Gamespot with his graphics rating of only "10 out of 10"?
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/reviews/0,10867,2908662,00.html

Or even the guy from IGN!:

"Graphics
Panzer Dragoon Orta is the best looking game on Xbox. That's not up for debate. Watch the game in motion and you'll see that Orta takes Xbox graphics to a whole new level. The creature and level design is as fantastic and bizarre as we've come to expect from Smilebit. Giant flying ships take on personalities of their own and the many critters looking to do Orta harm are almost hard to kill -- wouldn't it be nice to just watch them fly around for a while?

And when you do kill them, there's no skimping. Enemies explode showering the screen with particles, or flop to the ground as if they'd really been shot down. Your attacks are a brilliant show of light with each form having individual effects. The animations are as good as I've ever seen. If those dinosaurs running wild and the giant winged beasts soaring overheard don't look real to you, you may need Lasik surgery.

Every visual in Orta seems nearly perfect. Everything is richly textured and the lighting is phenomenal. The fluidity of the dragon wings, the enormous amount of particles flying about the screen, the eye-dazzling beserk attacks, and the richness of the entire universe make for a non-stop oggle-fest. Panzer goes beyond being pretty. As with the Saturn games, Sega has created a world that is unique and specific to the Panzer universe. This isn't just some fancy light show, Panzer Dragoon Orta is a carefully crafted environment that deserves to live on in further sequels.

If I could give this game an 11 in graphics, I would. Actually, forget the number you see below. Consider it an 11. This game is unbelievably gorgeous and the screenshots don't do it justice. If this is the tip of the iceberg for Xbox, I pray I never go blind.

Graphics - 10.0
Let me wipe the drool from your mouth. Stunning. Gorgeous. The prettiest console game so far.

- Hilary Goldstein
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/382/382195p4.html

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Suffice to say, we don't need to see you post anymore screenshots as proof of some nebulous point since you now realize that playing the game is more revealing and rewarding than looking at posted pix? Could we be so lucky? We don't need to see any more of your judgements on PS2 stuff because we know you aren't playing them to enjoy them.

Yey, says mr randyman. i have PS2 and XB but whatever. :rolleyes:
BTW, hAve you played PDO?
 
Someone else also pointed out that the actual game doesn't look as clean as the "screenshots" you posted Lazy8s. That was what I was refering to. Being disappointed doesn't actually mean the game is any less impressive for everybody, but that someone obviously had higher expertations.

And about the disappointment of that Xbox guy at GameSpot - hey, no need to post those screenshots and try to convince me (I'd rather wait until I played the real thing on a TV set) - I'm only saying what I read (and it's not the review I was refering to, never read that one).
 
only difference this time SONY won't have the luxury of a head start not only that developers don't have alot of time to get familiar with programming like they did with PS2

Something tells me they could have that luxury again. Delays are innevitable, I don't think it is likely that all 3 consoles be released within a few months of each other.

Hmmm, interesting....
 
maskrider said:
JF_Aidan_Pryde said:
Those shots look pretty amazing.

Yes, the shots look amazing, if they are what I see in game, it will be fantastic. But reality hurts.



u never know... from what i heard from some people it doesnt look anywhere near as clean and sharp.... so much for PS2 IQ whining.... :rolleyes:
 
london-boy said:
maskrider said:
JF_Aidan_Pryde said:
Those shots look pretty amazing.

Yes, the shots look amazing, if they are what I see in game, it will be fantastic. But reality hurts.

u never know... from what i heard from some people it doesnt look anywhere near as clean and sharp.... so much for PS2 IQ whining.... :rolleyes:

I know, I have PDO with 16:9 480p output, that's why I said reality hurts.
 
That's funny, I have the same output but my version of PDO lives up to the hype and is simply the best looking game available on any system. 8)
 
Johnny Awesome said:
That's funny, I have the same output but my version of PDO lives up to the hype and is simply the best looking game available on any system. 8)

Best looking or not is another thing, it simply cannot be compared to the clean and AAed screenshots posted, it does not live up to the hype.
 
But wait... is it "drab" and "grainy", or "clean and AAed"? Now the various complaints about the screenshots are confusing me.

Is it these following shots that exhibit drab and graininess?:

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... and these shots exhibiting "clean and AAed"?:

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... or do I have it all backwards!?

And which shots don't have enough polygons?

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randycat99:
Ehhh- drab texture colors and graininess! So much for Xbox-ness... I don't see enough polygons, either.

I'm joking to the effect that Xbots are always so quick to point that out on PS2 games, but you can't deny the generally drab colors and graininess that appear in those pictures. They are there before your very eyes.
maskrider:
The AA in the shots are so damn good and clean but not what I see in game
 
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