Formula 1 - 2008 Season
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IIRC they only said that their data shows Kimi being 6km/h faster at the finishline crossing
Might have something to do with the fact that Hamilton did go through the chicane, not as much grip there, not as good exit as Kimi had from the chicane, resulting Kimi getting slightly (6km/h at the finishline) faster speed there
So HTF did Kimi find the extra grip and power to pull a car length in front of Lewis over less that the length of the straight ?
And what comes to us "hamilton haters", take a look in the mirror, as much as 'we' are 'haters', you are 'lovers'
pocketmoon66
Newcomer
All this talk of "he got right into his slipstream and in the right position to overtake."
He was behind Kimi for 0.1s so no slipstream. It's impossible to tell how far Hamilton would have been behind if he had not cut the chicane and then accelerated normally in the slip stream and without backing off like he, McLaren and now Renault confirm he did.
Besides Kimi went off the road later and used that to his advantage to get past Hamilton in exactly the same way. Result from the FIA, no investigation!
The FIA are so inconsistent ....
He was behind Kimi for 0.1s so no slipstream. It's impossible to tell how far Hamilton would have been behind if he had not cut the chicane and then accelerated normally in the slip stream and without backing off like he, McLaren and now Renault confirm he did.
Besides Kimi went off the road later and used that to his advantage to get past Hamilton in exactly the same way. Result from the FIA, no investigation!
The FIA are so inconsistent ....
It's impossible to know, yes, but it's obvious that it would have been several tenths of a second behind which is a lifetime in F1.
He didn't have room in the chicane since Kimi had the racing line, he would have needed REALLY heavy braking to stay on track + then he would have still needed to drive chicane via really bad line > there would have been quite huge gap between them, more than enough for him not to be able to overtake Kimi in the first corner (he probably could have later on the lap, but that's irrelevant)
He didn't have room in the chicane since Kimi had the racing line, he would have needed REALLY heavy braking to stay on track + then he would have still needed to drive chicane via really bad line > there would have been quite huge gap between them, more than enough for him not to be able to overtake Kimi in the first corner (he probably could have later on the lap, but that's irrelevant)
chavvdarrr
Veteran
Well, they could've punish Kimi with 25secs too... so what !?
Well, they could've punish Kimi with 25secs too... so what !?
IIRC the only place where Kimi went past Hamilton was the one where Hamilton drove to the grass, and which after Kimi spun and Hamilton got back in front (with nice gap too)
No it was the bit where the Williams intervened before that though I guess you could call it part of the same set of corners.
Hamilton went off and went back on the track, Kimi went way way wide using all the off road tarmac then used the tarmac onslip road to keep up his momentum and then was just in the right place at the right time to nip past the Williams and the blocked Hamilton.
Yeah, which ended up in Kimi spinning, there was yellow flags there too IIRC, so Kimi would have surely given up the spot back, but at his speed and the weather & F2008 being awful at best on rain, he had no way to go expect straight from there or crash
This just cracked me up, in a recent interview regarding Spa 2008 Hamilton said about Räikkönen that "if he doesn't have the courage to brake late it's his problem"
Maybe it is a problem if you don't have the courage to brake late (I doubt any F1 driver lacks that courage though), but someone should tell Lewis there's limits on HOW late you can brake:
Maybe it is a problem if you don't have the courage to brake late (I doubt any F1 driver lacks that courage though), but someone should tell Lewis there's limits on HOW late you can brake:
I was watching the 2005 Japanese Grand Prix and I noticed Alonso doing the same thing Hamilton did against Räikkönen. Alonso was fighting with Christian Klien who drove a Red Bull and cut the chicane before the pit straight, eased off slightly to let Klien past him and then passed Klien again down the pit straight. This happened on lap 7.
Then, on lap 10, while fighting with Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso slowed to let Klien pass him again. This time he let the situation stabilize before putting the moves on Klien on lap 12. According to the commentators, the FIA told Renault to let Klien past, Renault said that he's already done it, Renault had Fernando do it again (lap 10) and then the FIA told Renault they didn't have to do it twice.
Oh, FIA.
Then, on lap 10, while fighting with Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso slowed to let Klien pass him again. This time he let the situation stabilize before putting the moves on Klien on lap 12. According to the commentators, the FIA told Renault to let Klien past, Renault said that he's already done it, Renault had Fernando do it again (lap 10) and then the FIA told Renault they didn't have to do it twice.
Oh, FIA.
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The first practice session at Monza was driven under really heavy rain, here's the results
Ex-F1 driver, JJ Lehto, commented on finnish MTV3 that if the weather will be the same on sunday, the race will either be postponed or driven behind a safety car - too much is too much and no car/tire can take this much water he says
Code:
1. Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari 1.32,842 18 laps
2. Rubens Barrichello Honda + 0,586 14
3. Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari + 0,853 19
4. Timo Glock Toyota + 3,958 13
5. Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota + 4,058 9
6. Fernando Alonso Renault + 4,123 10
7. Sebastien Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 4,300 20
8. Jarno Trulli Toyota + 4,372 13
9. Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari + 4,550 5
10. Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 4,912 13
11. Nelsinho Piquet Renault + 5,215 11
12. David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault + 5,461 7
13. Jenson Button Honda + 6,220 12
14. Felipe Massa Ferrari + 7,391 5
15. Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber No time 1
16. Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota No time 2
17. Robert Kubica BMW Sauber No time 1
18. Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes No time 1
19. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault No time 1
20. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes No time 1Ex-F1 driver, JJ Lehto, commented on finnish MTV3 that if the weather will be the same on sunday, the race will either be postponed or driven behind a safety car - too much is too much and no car/tire can take this much water he says
Surinder Thati should STFU. He is making a fool of himself.
Re: the weather, drivers are always so negative wrt. bad weather. They get paid huge amounts of money to drive and even if it's harder to drive in bad weather, if it's not so bad you can't see at all or there's a hurricane or something, they should just drive and let the race director make the call on how the race start shall unfold. Start behind SC and make the racing line less wet and then gun it. Awesome spectacle almost every time.
Re: the weather, drivers are always so negative wrt. bad weather. They get paid huge amounts of money to drive and even if it's harder to drive in bad weather, if it's not so bad you can't see at all or there's a hurricane or something, they should just drive and let the race director make the call on how the race start shall unfold. Start behind SC and make the racing line less wet and then gun it. Awesome spectacle almost every time.
So Fernando will either go to Honda, BMW or stay at Renault. I actually hope he'll stay at Renault. I like the team and I want them to succeed and since the 2009 tech. regs are so different from the 2008 ones, they would surely benefit from Alonso's input. The stability and harmony within the team should would also come into play.
chavvdarrr
Veteran
Following F1 season it looks that this summer is extremely "wet" in Western Europe, is it?
There was no rain here for at least 2 months
There was no rain here for at least 2 months
Rather damp here in the UK (we had a month's typical rainfall during the first couple of days of September) but not quite as wet as last year. Still bloody rubbish weather though - looking out the window now and it appears to be pissing down with rain once again!
We do a fair bit of business with a chap in Romania and he tells us it has been baking hot and dry over there so it appears the weather in Eastern Europe is the opposite of Western Europe this year.
We do a fair bit of business with a chap in Romania and he tells us it has been baking hot and dry over there so it appears the weather in Eastern Europe is the opposite of Western Europe this year.
2nd practice:
Code:
1. Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1.23,861 31 laps
2. Robert Kubica BMW Sauber + 0,070 26
3. Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber + 0,086 29
4. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes + 0,122 25
5. Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota + 0,249 33
6. Felipe Massa Ferrari + 0,386 34
7. Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes + 0,504 29
8. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault + 0,660 35
9. Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari + 0,808 22
10. Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 0,912 35
11. David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault + 1,239 25
12. Sebastien Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 1,331 39
13. Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari + 1,343 24
14. Rubens Barrichello Honda + 1,435 25
15. Jenson Button Honda + 1,448 34
16. Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota + 1,469 28
17. Timo Glock Toyota + 1,536 28
18. Fernando Alonso Renault + 1,620 22
19. Jarno Trulli Toyota + 1,892 29
20. Nelsinho Piquet Renault + 2,334 23Similar threads
