Formula 1 - 2008 Season

[Tokelil]

yeah Kimi seems to do really well when it doesn't matter at all this season.

Judging from the last two races, I'd just say he does really badly when it rains. He only got fast at the last 8-9 laps on intermediates.

 

[Bludd]

Vettel dominated the race. Kovy couldn't touch him and Kimi could only go fast when it dried up and when it didn't matter.

Hammy drove really well before he put on the regular wets. Alonso also did well and got Renault up in fourth in the constructor's championship.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Awsome for Vettel. Seems like a really nice guy too btw, no biggot, just laid back and aware of what and who he is. Unlike some other ''im as good as schumacher'' driver who showed he isnt quite it today.

Anway, Ferrari sucked again. On Dutch Tv I heard the commentator say that maybe the Ferrari car by nature is so rigid that its fast in the dry, but even when set up for the wet its still so rigid it wont go really fast. That might explain why they do so bad in the wet because I dont believe that both Kimi and Massa suddenly are so much worse in the wet that they have to go fight with teams that in the dry couldnt even be close to them.

 

[Kaotik]

Ferrari has admitted themselves that F2008 just isn't any good on wet.
Also, Räikkönen at least was on dry race setup since Ferrari expected that the track is only wet in the beginning but there wouldn't be any more rain

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Didnt know they sayd that. But that would mean the tv presentator would be right and the car is developed so stiff that its almost only suited for dry races. Wonder if there is a particulair reason why they did that (or why the car isnt good in the wet) as it always used to be good in the wet with schumacher and the car isnt that dominant in the dry either.

 

[Bludd]

It is dominant when it is dry and hot, though. But yeah, Dominicali said that their car wasn't that great in the wet.

Anyway, I think Hammy was fantastic before putting on the regular wets. He overtook and overtook and overtook again. It was great watching him going up the grid.

 

[nutball]

Whichever mod that was deserves this months Mod Of The Month complimentary pizza

 

[Bludd]

Whichever mod that was deserves this months Mod Of The Month complimentary pizza

Say what?

 

[thehulk]

Say what?

Someone was NOT acting like a wonderful and marvelous being.
As a result,

Yes in the first wet race, and every other wet race since then he's won, you wonderful and marvelous being (Come on, let's make love)

Mod: I turned down the love level, it just was too much

 

[StefanS]

Whichever mod that was deserves this months Mod Of The Month complimentary pizza

That would be me. I was still a bit hung over

 

[infinity4]

Vettel win certainly does make up for last week.

So, this season... Only Force India haven't made a podium yet! 9 teams out of 10 have at least a third finish, what a season!

 

[dizietsma]

very pleased for Vettel, certainly is a very talented, quick and composed driver. Going to Redbull for next season doesn't seem that much of an upgrade currently, he needs to be in the Ferrari....

Kimi has signed for 2010 I see, lets hope he gets his mojo back soon. Interesting points about the Ferrari not being good in the wet, comments on UK tvv said it was because they cannot get heat in the tyres which does suggest a mechanical suspension / chassis issue as mentioned above. Ferrari's of earlier years were very good.

Hamilton looked like he has lost his balls for a while, but then got them back and then overcooked his tyres. His fighting spirit gives him good overtaking skills but sometimes can penalise him. He's still young though.

Another interesting race, may they all be wet from now on.

 

[Bludd]

Someone was NOT acting like a wonderful and marvelous being.
As a result,

Hah, I didn't notice that! Well done, StefanS!

Vettel took some of Fernando Alonso's F1 records this weekend: youngest polesitter and youngest winner.

Now the pressure is on Toro Rosso to go it alone without a car basically built by Red Bull Technology. They have to for next season or at least the season after that. As of now, they are the only team that does not build their own chassis.

 

[Tokelil]

Ferrari have had problems getting temperature up on their tires the whole season. (Esp. Kimis driving style seems to be a problem in qualifying. I guess it wouldn't be a problem for Alonso ) I hope they can find a quick fix for that for the last four races, but I doubt it by now. It will be hard to retake the championships if they can't IMO, with low temperature circuits coming up. (Singapore night race is probably quite cold?)

 

[chavvdarrr]

I prefer Hamilton for champ over Massa. Massa is unable to win if he doesn't start from P1.

 

[Bludd]

I prefer Hamilton for champ over Massa. Massa is unable to win if he doesn't start from P1.

This season, he has had pole position for two of his five* wins.

*Have to count him as a winner at Spa, even though McLaren have appealed.

Even if you don't count Spa, it is only 50%.

Lewis Hamilton has won four races, with three from pole position.

Last year:

Massa: 3 wins, 3 from pole
Hamilton: 4 wins, 4 from pole
Alonso: 4 wins, 2 from pole
Räikkönen: 6 wins, 2 from pole

 

[chavvdarrr]

This season, he has had pole position for two of his five* wins.

*Have to count him as a winner at Spa, even though McLaren have appealed.

Even if you don't count Spa, it is only 50%.

Lewis Hamilton has won four races, with three from pole position.

Last year:

Massa: 3 wins, 3 from pole
Hamilton: 4 wins, 4 from pole
Alonso: 4 wins, 2 from pole
Räikkönen: 6 wins, 2 from pole

ok, ok, just tell me when was last time he even tried to overtake during race?
Had he EVER won any duel car 2 car?
What I remember about him is jumping from joy finishing second, or how he was blocking his teammate favouring Hamilton. Sorry, i just can't like man like him.

I just don't think someone without ass to defend his position "because safe points are safe points" deserves to win.
"Second place was not good enough" or "Webber won't pass me even if I have to push him out of track" is better imho

 

[Bludd]

I agree, though in all fairness I had to dig up some facts.

Massa is fast when he is untouchable. He can lap with the best of them in undisturbed conditions, but when the going gets tough and people fight him, he seems to go from 105% to 95%. Kimi, Lewis and Fernando are more like fighters while Massa is a driver.

Or something. He has still impressed me this year. This is by far his best year in F1.

 

[Davros]

ok, ok, just tell me when was last time he even tried to overtake during race?

He did a fantastic overtaking manouver on hamilton not long ago (cant remember which race)

 

[Kaotik]

This is perfect example of why I and many others dislike Hamilton:

For some reason even the superhuman talents of Hamilton do not stretch to pin-point accurate weather forecasting and this weekend in a northern Italy that felt more like northern England, he and McLaren Mercedes paid a high price for that frailty.

I mean ffs, the guy is great driver but seriously, there should be some limit to all the praising

That Hamilton even got himself into a position to win the race is testament to his virtuosity in the wet.

Yeh, let's all forget that he has done plenty of mistakes on wet just like everyone else out there.
Only Senna is worthy of talk like that regarding wet weather, if anyone.

And it's not only press

“I drove my arse off and you know what I can do in the wet,” he said. “I had no doubts in my mind — I knew I could do a good job. With rain and being so far back on the grid, I just had to make sure I kept my nose clean and brought the car home. I left a gap at the beginning because I couldn't see anything — it was barely possible to go flat down the straights. Once it began to clear up, I began to reel the others in.”

I seriously doubt there has ever been as arrogant driver in F1 before, I haven't seen any other driver been praising his own skills and himself that much before.