Fact: Nintendo to release HD console + controllers with built-in screen late 2012

You wonder if the difficulties of the 3DS will affect the design of the WiiU.

Maybe they try to cut costs or maybe they realize gimmicks like 3D won't always work and they have to try to be more competitive on performance rather than unique features.

Or maybe they don't draw any lessons at all.
 
You wonder if the difficulties of the 3DS will affect the design of the WiiU.

Maybe they try to cut costs or maybe they realize gimmicks like 3D won't always work and they have to try to be more competitive on performance rather than unique features.

Or maybe they don't draw any lessons at all.

I don't see how.

The Wii is still the top selling consoles and their games for it are still the top selling games. They are making mad profits right now and the DS is the same.

The 3DS has only been out for months and people are jumping to forecast doom for the entire of Nintendo with such happiness when the problem isn't even bad. In all honesty it is probably because the original DS is to still so successful that no one cares to much for the 3DS. Well, that and it has no games. Unique features and gimmicks are 2 different thing and Nintendo's has made it clear that they have no intention of simply mimicking the other consoles.Right now Nintendo is competing with itself at the top, How people have spun this into projections of bankruptcy is beyond me.

I don't see what any of that has to do with the Wii U. Its sells will reflect its cost and features, and I expect that it will do well. I had no interested in buying a 3DS from the beginning and even less in Vita. The Wii U ,on the other hand, I have much interest in(higher quality PC ports now) and I suspect a lot of other people do to. There is no question of whether or not the Wii U will sell well.
 
I meant in total. I'm aware that the total number of sells for the Wii is in third (right under the PS3 and the DS(for the first time in like a year)) but with what Nintendo makes on the Wii vs what it costs, they are still making the most profit off of their console. Also, they're games are still the best selling apart from the 1-2 weeks sells of big name new releases. Perhaps I should have worded that better earlier. Though I don't see why this even matters given that it was obviously not the point.

The point is that Nintendo are still generating more profit than any other gaming company right now on top of having all of the money they've made this gen stored up, The talk of the 3DS not selling as well as they had hoped leading to some detrimental affects is ridiculous.

When your biggest active competitor is yourself, how exactly are you in danger?
 
I meant in total. I'm aware that the total number of sells for the Wii is in third (right under the PS3 and the DS(for the first time in like a year)) but with what Nintendo makes on the Wii vs what it costs, they are still making the most profit off of their console. Also, they're games are still the best selling apart from the 1-2 weeks sells of big name new releases. Perhaps I should have worded that better earlier. Though I don't see why this even matters given that it was obviously not the point.

The point is that Nintendo are still generating more profit than any other gaming company right now on top of having all of the money they've made this gen stored up, The talk of the 3DS not selling as well as they had hoped leading to some detrimental affects is ridiculous.

When your biggest active competitor is yourself, how exactly are you in danger?

Nintendo isn't selling better, neither are their games, nor are they making money in their latest quarterly report ($327 million in losses).

That's how they're in danger.
 
Nintendo isn't selling better, neither are their games, nor are they making money in their latest quarterly report ($327 million in losses).

That's how they're in danger.

You saying that in a misinformitive way. They made $327 million "less profit", they didn't "lose" $327 million. The one I stat infers that they are not making the astronomical numbers that they previously were. The one you state infers that they in the negatives.

If the sells they have right now are what you would call "treading water" then I would hate to see how Sony and Microsoft are doing because up until, the end of last month they were behind the Wii and the DS with hardware that costs more to make and the 360 is still there.

Though how did you come to the conclusion that there games are the top selling? Week after the week I've been seeing Wii Sports and Mario Kart Wii there like they have always been and right now its rhythm heaven on the Wii. Its like everyone is living in this fantasy land where a momentary slips in sales men the destruction of entire corporations. Its seriously not that big of a deal.

Ah, forget it. This was never the point to begin with. If you want to continue debating this beyond reason, I will not follow.


Any word on the U's ram yet? I think they should go for quantity over quality when it comes to the RAM.

5 GB of cheap ram is a lot better than 1 GB of really fast expensive ram.
 
You saying that in a misinformitive way. They made $327 million "less profit", they didn't "lose" $327 million. The one I stat infers that they are not making the astronomical numbers that they previously were. The one you state infers that they in the negatives.

No, I think they really did lose $327 million.
 
No, I think they really did lose $327 million.

That's loss of "value" not loss of "profit". That has to do with stocks not consumer sells. and that is honestly not a whole lot. A knew, something about what was said didn't sound right. Seems that it was misinterpretation of the facts leading to misinformation.

Damnit, why the hell am I even discussing this. Believe what you will.
 
That's loss of "value" not loss of "profit". That has to do with stocks not consumer sells. and that is honestly not a whole lot. A knew, something about what was said didn't sound right. Seems that it was misinterpretation of the facts leading to misinformation.

Damnit, why the hell am I even discussing this. Believe what you will.

Perhaps you can point me to the correct information. I am most certainly not talking about a share price drop, although that also happened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14337301
On Thursday, Nintendo reported a net loss of 25.5bn yen ($324m, £201m) for the April-to-June quarter, its first-ever quarterly loss.
Because the media really thinks they reported a loss.
 
lherre update (about wii u dev kit stability)



Uhh, I dunno lol.

That makes perfect sense. I mean, the GPU isn't even finished. What I have been wondering is how exactly are they making games on it to begin with when both the CPU and GPU are still in development and no where near production.
 
He seems to be conflating Yamuichi's personal losses when the stock nosedived with the company's reported losses in the last financial quarter. Both happened. Both in the neighborhood of 300 million dollars.

As Totilo over on Kotaku pointed out the other day, the biggest problem Nintendo has is they've gone a couple years without a break out success like Wii-Fit, New Super Mario Brothers or Brain Age. That's the kind of thing that could sustain them even as their hardware sales plateaued for the Wii and DS (and the 3DS hit a brick wall). But Metroid, Kirby and Donkey Kong weren't that game and there's been a dearth of out-of-the-box fads recently.
 
RAM??? Any news on the RAM? Anyone?

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Now this is what I was talking about way back when it was first announced and everyone was putting down the uses of the controller.
http://wiiublog.com/wii-u-makes-turning-easier-in-shooters-says-ubisoft/

"The ideas is that you can turn 180 degrees in the physical world and because the controller has a screen you can shoot the bad guys who were behind you."

I want to see someone do that with Kinect and Move.

Seems there will be no release date until next year so I guess it can be assumed that actual release date will be in 2013.
 
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"The ideas is that you can turn 180 degrees in the physical world and because the controller has a screen you can shoot the bad guys who were behind you."
That works while you're standing and viewing the Wuu screen, but not when you're sat in your comfy chair playing on the big TV. That feature itself can be implemented in iPad and Vita with a game on the portable screen. So of course Kinect and Move aren't going to be able to handle true rotation, but Wuu can't handle that alongside the traditional core shooter experience either. Furthermore, pressing a button to turn 180 degrees would be more effective. And turning your character with a thumbstick is less likely to make you dizzy than turning around on the spot a lot.
 
If... if... if... So what are they doing wrong now with the reports of the early units overheating? The other thing I'd like to point out is that we haven't even begun to consider the TDP for the CPU.

If by "early units" you mean the Wii U, no one outside Nintendo, IBM and AMD would know for sure (it is still very early hardware after all).

The TDP of a GPU is higher most of the time than the TDP of a CPU for a system that is built with gaming in mind.

We really don't know what kind of IBM CPU the Wii U will have so I will base this off an Intel SB i3.
A 3.3Ghz i3 with its onboard GPU has a TDP of 65W, some of that TDP would come from the GPU and the i3 has very high pref per a clock, so I think that a TDP of 35W would be a good upper limit for the Wii U's CPU (and that is not even getting into the fact that an i3's heatsink is about the same size as the Xbox 360S's but can still work for the 95W TDP i7s).

What were the ambient conditions? How long were you playing at 100% load? Can you say the same for every household and weather condition? Stuffing it in a home theater setup behind the window? I wish it were so easy as your single example. I don't have problems with my laptop in the winter. I sure as hell can if the house jumps to 30C and I want to play for several hours. I know when to quit when I can feel the bottom burning my finger. How loud was your laptop as well? Is that acceptable for a console or much less, the WiiU? How much was the laptop? How big of a heatsink are they going to need (i.e. extra costs, extra weight, extra shipping weight...)? Can it be done for under $300?

30C+, playing for a few hours at a time on a couch with games like Red Faction Guerrilla (which can push both the GPU and CPU), Mirror's Edge with GPU physx, WoW, Dirt 2, BFBC2 ect.

It was not really loud at all, I could clearly hear it when gaming but it was around a foot away from my head (and much, much quieter than the original Xbox 360).
The laptop came out at about $1200 2 and a half years ago (but it has a screen, battery, HDD ect.)

The heatsink in my laptop was not very big, it has one heat pipe going to the CPU (then on to the North Bridge) and one to the GPU (that has a higher TDP GPU than the HD6950M BTW) and then the heatpipes went to a radiator around 3 CM x 2 CM x 9 CM which had a fan behind it blowing air over it and out of the case. I have even found a pic http://www.notebookreview.ru/files/image/Reviews database/Asus/G51/G51VX/Big/4.jpg


If we take something like a 35W TDP CPU and a 50W HD6950M and put them on the one chip you should end up with 85W TDP, easily enough for a small heatsink like the Sandy Bridge stock heatsink (rated for 95W) or even the 360 S's heatsink.

The die size of the HD6950M should be the same as the HD6850/70 (Barts) and is 255mm2 on 40nm but keep in mind that it is a binned core using 960 out of 1120 SPs, 48 out of 56 TMUs and also has a 256Bit memory bus (vs the 128Bit bus a console will likely use).

I am not saying that the Wii U would use anything like that but it is possible.


I don't mean to be snarky with these questions, but these are important considerations that go beyond just looking at "oh another device can do it IF there's enough money thrown at it, IF it has much sturdier construction, IF it's not playing games 100% of the time, IF we just reduce clock speeds, IF we ignore that there are hugely different ambient temperatures that people can game in, IF we ignore that Nintendo is quite possibly wasting its money producing a larger chip and just clocking it down.......".

And that's it. I'm done with the thread.

I would expect better from a Mod TBH.
 
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