I was surprised by MM giving option to use Dreams model in Unity or other polygon based rendering Videogame engine. I think 3d print option is more useful...
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I was surprised by MM giving option to use Dreams model in Unity or other polygon based rendering Videogame engine. I think 3d print option is more useful...
Yeah, it's definitely cool. I think 3D print is where it'll really shine. Your post was in reply to discussion about Dreams exports in game engines, so I assumed when talking about artists you meant game artists making game art.
Having a engine where the simplest design look good will be very beneficial to small dev teams & could be one of the best things to happen in gaming in a long time.
So true the only advantage of Dreams rendering technic is the possibility to use more dense geometry, prefiltered edge aliasing and prefiltered LOD. The refinement renderer is even better adding no shadow maps for shadow in the mix... But it was not convenient for Dreams art design and probably need a more powerful console than PS4 to be usable...
Throw all the graphic pipeline, physic engine of polygon based games is a huge problem. And programer and artist lose all experience they had with polygon based tools or games engine...
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And why do you think it has such good lighting? Point based rendering.
The lighting is volumetric. The drawing is point based. It's possible to combine the volumetric lighting system with other drawing techniques - MM tried a few themselves. that said, there is a synergy between BubbleBath's volumetric lighting and rendering. However, it's not a look exclusive to their rendering model. The Tomorrow Children is doing similar, although a step down, with triangle rasterising. We'd just need a suitable volumetric lighting (and shading) engine plugin for Unity/UE to get similar results.
Their SDF approach also gives them for instance a good ambient occlusion approximation, which helps the lighting system.
Unreal 4 already has support for distance field based Ambient Occlusion. From what I remembered, I though most of Dreams lighting was just standard deferred lighting, nothing special about the rendering being point based.
The system does have advantages when you use the fuzzy/paint-brushy textures MM demonstrated in other instances, and it also has very good DoF at extreme apertures, but none of that really shows in that specific screen...
The system does have advantages when you use the fuzzy/paint-brushy textures MM demonstrated in other instances, and it also has very good DoF at extreme apertures, but none of that really shows in that specific screen...
From Alex Evans twitter the game is a 2017 games. Probably 1st quarter 2017
https://mobile.twitter.com/mmalex/status/659305577336688640
https://mobile.twitter.com/mmalex/status/659305577336688640
Wow, hasn't this already been under development for 3 years? Or was it 2? As small as their team is, sony has to have given them a fatter budget for this one (compared to the lbps, that is)
Dreams is a rather risky project, I "doubt" they have given MM the same budget of ND or Guerrilla Games that are making/working on way more mainstream titles/genera and most likely to become profitable.
We still live in a world where LBP lost its appeal, Project Sark failed and Minecraft works because it's super simple to make anything.
A UGC game where you sculpt your own creation and create small games instead of small levels it's already destined to have a limited audience and I think we are "lucky" it even exists.
For instance I sincerely doubt EA and Ubi or Activision would've given Dreams a chance if MM proposed it to them.
We still live in a world where LBP lost its appeal, Project Sark failed and Minecraft works because it's super simple to make anything.
A UGC game where you sculpt your own creation and create small games instead of small levels it's already destined to have a limited audience and I think we are "lucky" it even exists.
For instance I sincerely doubt EA and Ubi or Activision would've given Dreams a chance if MM proposed it to them.
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Geez, Tearaway Unfolded only released in September..............
It is 4 years the R&D begin in 2011 with a sculpting prototype on PC. But they were less than 10 people on the project for a long time and now they are 30 people's from what Alex Evans said. Maybe more since the end of the development of Terraway Unfolded DLC.
I don't think more people would have helped. MM have been working on the concept and engine before the game. It's taken 4 years to refine that to the point they have an engine ready for content that other people can work on. However, up until that point you had a few key minds working things over, and you can't accelerate that sort of RnD by throwing people at it. The iterative process of trying, failing, and trying something new, was essential to get where BubbleBath is now I think.
'Same old' can be thrown out every year or two with mild improvements. 'New' takes longer.
