Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2023]
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It's not going to be pretty lol..^ didn't John have this on quality, droping to 720p and 20 frames ? So if that's what you get on a 2070 level of performance, we can already have a mental picture of steam's forums tomorrow
snc
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As usual realy good video from John. Wonder what happened here, maybe it was just lower budget side Square Enix project marketed as full AAA 70$ game.
I dont know if it was lower budget, at least not how I would take the words from this early report:
- Project Athia is the pet project for Square Enix’s CEO Yosuke Matsuda
- Their internal expectations are that this will be their next big thing
- They have conveyed these expectations to Sony as well which has heavily invested in marketing it too.
Project Athia Is a Pet Project of Square Enix's CEO, Expected To Be Their Next Big Thing
Project Athia is a PS5 and PC exclusive that is targeting next-generation features. It is expected to be the next big thing for Square Enix.
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snc
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In the end we see what quality they delivered, if ff16 trailers are not hoax than that game is on another level. Also hard to imagine studio can bring two big budget games same year.I dont know if it was lower budget, at least not how I would take the words from this early report:
- Project Athia is the pet project for Square Enix’s CEO Yosuke Matsuda
- Their internal expectations are that this will be their next big thing
- They have conveyed these expectations to Sony as well which has heavily invested in marketing it too.
Project Athia Is a Pet Project of Square Enix's CEO, Expected To Be Their Next Big Thing
Project Athia is a PS5 and PC exclusive that is targeting next-generation features. It is expected to be the next big thing for Square Enix.
Inuhanyou
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Rather than lower budget, they had lack of resources and only like half the team of ff16 probably. Since luminous studio only has 150 employees which itself is half the size of the ff15 team it spawned from. Almost half the studio quit after tabata left the companyI dont know if it was lower budget, at least not how I would take the words from this early report:
- Project Athia is the pet project for Square Enix’s CEO Yosuke Matsuda
- Their internal expectations are that this will be their next big thing
- They have conveyed these expectations to Sony as well which has heavily invested in marketing it too.
Project Athia Is a Pet Project of Square Enix's CEO, Expected To Be Their Next Big Thing
Project Athia is a PS5 and PC exclusive that is targeting next-generation features. It is expected to be the next big thing for Square Enix.
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^ didn't John have this on quality, droping to 720p and 20 frames ? So if that's what you get on a 2070 level of performance, we can already have a mental picture of steam's forums tomorrow
Though thats still a 2018 mid-ranger in terms of performance....
Silent_Buddha
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It's using the FFXIV engine, modified for a single player game. Keep in mind while that might seem older, the FFXIV engine likely gets the most funding and has the most engineers working on it over at Square-Enix. It's constantly being updated.
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This is not like other games have good character assets and environment scale and run much better. Horizon Forbidden West have good environment scale and run much better. I won't talk about Death Stranding 2. Another open world with an impressive GPU based particles system is Ghost of Tsushima, it is used for the leaves and for NPC impostor.
I am really disappointed with what happened with Forspoken. The people who worked behind it probably put their blood and sweat on it and then development woes and deadlines downscaled the project.
The downgrade is too big. The game is a mixture of quality and mediocricy as if visual elements had to be patched hastily on top of initial test production. I dont understand what happened.
How from the initial reveal, it came to this is perplexing because apparently features, high quality assets and render implementations were originally there. So what exactly happened? The original trailer was at least on par with Horizon Zero Dawn at it's worst and actually looking better at it's best.
Downgrades in many games is worrying and it is equally apparent in Tekken 8 too. The initial trailer showed much higher character polycounts, much more advanced lighting, significantly more realistic shaders especially on skin, and then the new gameplay trailers demonstrate a huge downgrade in pretty much everything. I wasnt impressed by the least. A stark contrast from my initial excitement.
This trend of showing something super impressive and next gen and then giving us a final product that looks half as good is very very annoying.
The downgrade is too big. The game is a mixture of quality and mediocricy as if visual elements had to be patched hastily on top of initial test production. I dont understand what happened.
How from the initial reveal, it came to this is perplexing because apparently features, high quality assets and render implementations were originally there. So what exactly happened? The original trailer was at least on par with Horizon Zero Dawn at it's worst and actually looking better at it's best.
Downgrades in many games is worrying and it is equally apparent in Tekken 8 too. The initial trailer showed much higher character polycounts, much more advanced lighting, significantly more realistic shaders especially on skin, and then the new gameplay trailers demonstrate a huge downgrade in pretty much everything. I wasnt impressed by the least. A stark contrast from my initial excitement.
This trend of showing something super impressive and next gen and then giving us a final product that looks half as good is very very annoying.
snc
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Ue I think but its not only engine problem as shown in df video even old ff15 on this engine can looks better in some aspects
davis.anthony
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Looking at videos I think it's obvious why it's a performance hog.
Loads of alpha on screen and unlike most games it seems to massively, massively push it out in to the distance and LOD transitions are very low too.
So the performance may be a result of excess foliage on-screen and an ineffective LOD system.
Loads of alpha on screen and unlike most games it seems to massively, massively push it out in to the distance and LOD transitions are very low too.
So the performance may be a result of excess foliage on-screen and an ineffective LOD system.
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The visual aren't good enough to justify the performance hog. At the end they did not reach the right compromise when the game looks uglier than FF 15 and tons of other Open World like Red Dead Redemption 2, AC Unity, AC Origins, AC Odyssey, AC Valhalla, The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, Horizon Forbidden West, Ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding. And the worst PS4 version looks often better.
I don't add Open world within a city.
Christophe Balestra comes to an IGDA meeting in France when he was at Naughty Dog and during PS3 era and he said from a visual point of view the right compromise for a console game is to hide the hardware weakness. For consoles, this is memory bandwidth, it means tailor the game around this.
I don't add Open world within a city.
Christophe Balestra comes to an IGDA meeting in France when he was at Naughty Dog and during PS3 era and he said from a visual point of view the right compromise for a console game is to hide the hardware weakness. For consoles, this is memory bandwidth, it means tailor the game around this.
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Yes compared to others open world games on consoles (AC, Horizon, Far Cry, RDR etc.) the alphas + particles + vegetation and their LOD system (combined with generous PC-like FOV) can be really impressive. But obviously this has a high rendering cost.
It's such a pity the environment / monster design, artstyle and lighting are so bad and even more a pity when most of those things actually don't rely that much on rendering power. Just look at what From Software can do with environment design, lighting and artstyle on a 1.8tf machine (Bloodborne, Elden ring). It's all about creative direction that is incredibly weak and disappointing from SE after the stellar FF15.
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