Details trickle out on CELL processor...

[Guden Oden]

Looks like there is no workstation yet.

So how could they have already shipped to developers if they don't exist yet huh?

Just how many cells does it take to get that performance?

There just isn't any real info on those press releases.

When did you ever meet a press release that was loaded with straight facts? Press releases are MARKETING FLUFF. They're bullshit meant to create interest, not product manuals.

 

[Mortimer]

Looks like there is no workstation yet.

So how could they have already shipped to developers if they don't exist yet huh?

Just how many cells does it take to get that performance?

There just isn't any real info on those press releases.

When did you ever meet a press release that was loaded with straight facts? Press releases are MARKETING FLUFF. They're bullshit meant to create interest, not product manuals.

How can you know they if they have shipped anything to developers?

ARMONK, NY and TOKYO, November 29, 2004 – IBM, Sony Corporation (Sony) and Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) announced today that they have powered-on the first Cell* processor-based workstation.

Are they lieing and if they are then why?
Shouldn't they hype those machines in the hands of developers?

 

[PiNkY]

I think he is mixing up early ps3-dev kits and actual cell-workstations.

 

[McFly]

How can you know they if they have shipped anything to developers?

From this older article: http://eetimes.com/consumer/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=51200450

With a few dozen workstations based on the Cell processor now in the hands of key videogame companies, expectations are high. The plan is that the experienced software developers in the videogame market, accustomed to parallel graphics processing, will exploit the multiprocessing Cell design.

Fredi

 

[Qroach]

I'm getting confused here, so did they just power on the first cell processor or did they already ship some workstations?

 

[Druga Runda]

reading as an outsider - the workstations exist and were sent to game developers. unless the reporter is a liar

 

[London Geezer]

I believe the PS3 devkits have been sent to some devs. Early ones.
I'm not sure full working Cell workstation exist as of yet....... But who am i to speak...

 

[Qroach]

Well the early dev kits are supposed to be workstations so...

 

[ultimate_end]

I don't see why Sony/IBM would be that interested in video games right now, when they have barely just built the prototype of the poor thing (workstation).

 

[one]

PS3 = POWER CPU + Nvidia GPU + Linux OS + OpenGL

According to the press release, real-time OS for CE/Game is different from PC/WS (supposedly Linux). Since Sony develops the OS for PS3, it won't be a pseudo-realtime embedded Linux but something other such as Aperios (related papers) deployed in AIBO/QRIO.

nVidia is a pretty much 'PC' group so I bet it has nothing with PS3. It can't be justified cost-wise either. If Sony had needed nVidia, it would adopted in PSP but apparently it didn't happen. Cg is likewise, why do you need it when you have GLSL? 3DLabs is much more likely if you want something non-Sony, but not in terms of hardware.

 

[nAo]

Cg is likewise, why do you need it when you have GLSL?

Shaders compiler technology..IF Sony is going to use a NVIDIA GPU.
But I don't think so.

ciao,
Marco

 

[one]

Cg is likewise, why do you need it when you have GLSL?

Shaders compiler technology..IF Sony is going to use a NVIDIA GPU.
But I don't think so.

If nVidia can help something, it will be COLLADA, not PS3 itself I guess.

 

[qwerty2000]

I need to know one thing will the ps3 block diagram be silimair to figure 6 of the cell patent? Or it's still to early to find out.

 

[V3]

6.4GHz/link RaZer internal bus

Which internal bus is this ? I think this is for external bus.

15TFlop/sec DevKits have been sent out

Where did you get this information from ?

 

[Vince]

I'm getting confused here, so did they just power on the first cell processor or did they already ship some workstations?

I thought you were suppose to be the self-described anti-hype, anti-PR man who walks around with a bag of salt and a silver stake? Seems more or less just like a Sony problem finder than anything, no creative thinking, no rationalizing, just biased questions and provoking negative comments.

What's more likely, that they "just" flipped a switch the other day dispite having the 90nm IC's for something like a year and having ISSCC backing, or that it makes for a nice PR to send out when you're ready to disclose it?

 

[Qroach]

I thought you were suppose to be the self-described anti-hype, anti-PR man who walks around with a bag of salt and a silver stake?

How about I take that silver stake, turn it sideways and shove it where u like it, eh like i said before, I was trying to make sense out of the hype, which is why I'm not bothering with specifics, like arguing about "process" or the "clock speed". It's really a waste of time until they annouce exactly what the PS3 is capable of IMO.

Seems more or less just like a Sony problem finder than anything, no creative thinking, no rationalizing, just biased questions and provoking negative comments.

Yeah that's what i'm doing, asking a few questions to the people that have read more of what was posted on the net than I. You're already exhibiting classic signs of fan-ism. Getting overly defensive at simple posts, giving attitude in each response, and looking for someone causing trouble in your eyes. Pathetic.

What's more likely, that they "just" flipped a switch the other day dispite having the 90nm IC's for something like a year and having ISSCC backing, or that it makes for a nice PR to send out when you're ready to disclose it?

You know for once i'd appriciate it if you didn't respond to EVERY post I make in a PS3 thread. I can easily get a answer from someone who doesn't respond by insulting a person. Thanks anyway.

 

[j^aws]

I'm getting confused here, so did they just power on the first cell processor or did they already ship some workstations?

I thought you were suppose to be the self-described anti-hype, anti-PR man who walks around with a bag of salt and a silver stake? Seems more or less just like a Sony problem finder than anything, no creative thinking, no rationalizing, just biased questions and provoking negative comments.

What's more likely, that they "just" flipped a switch the other day dispite having the 90nm IC's for something like a year and having ISSCC backing, or that it makes for a nice PR to send out when you're ready to disclose it?

Vince, chill mate ...I didn't read what you read into Quincy's post and I think he's second post redeems that post. Let's all have a group hug and bless competition 'cos it rocks for us consumers!

Alternate (negative?) constructive views are welcome as it brings balance to discussions as speaking for myself, I can get carried away sometimes!

PEACE

 

[Qroach]

Jaws I agree with you. There's no need for any hostility in this thread at all.

 

[Sonic]

Vince and Qroach you guys need to calm down. The thread has gotten too hostile.

 

[one]

Oh, and concerning nVidia, I remeber they talked about render farm consisted of nVidia GPUs. Now, nVidia has products like Gelato in 'the film production pipeline'. The market Cell WS covers largely overlaps with those GPU vendor vision, so I assume it never happen that nVidia/ATi help Sony when Cell making inroads into their possible hardware markets.