but it's been in developpement for a longer time than the previous games, so maybe this time they'll stick to their initial release schedule.
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Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora is released, the game uses only software Ray Tracing. Despite this, the 4080 is 15% faster than 7900XTX, while the 4090 is 50% to 70% faster.
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Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora im Technik-Test: Benchmarks (FHD, WQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora im Test: Benchmarks (FHD, WQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM / Das Testsystem und die Benchmark-Szene
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Avatar Frontiers of Pandora: Snowdrop-Technik-Fest im PCGH-Benchmark-Test [Video-Update]
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My response makes sense because I'm not taking into account what is assumed to be true about an unreleased game based only on a trailer that doesn't specify that it's rendered in real time, in game, gameplay, or cinematics, or what hardware it's being displayed on, only what has been delivered in a released game. In it's current released state, CP2077 is an interactive experience. In it's current unreleased state, GTAVI is only a non-interactive trailer. And it's far enough away that anything we've already seen in the trailer could change.
The press are wrong here.Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora is released, the game uses only software Ray Tracing. Despite this, the 4080 is 15% faster than 7900XTX, while the 4090 is 50% to 70% faster.
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora im Technik-Test: Benchmarks (FHD, WQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora im Test: Benchmarks (FHD, WQHD & UHD), Frametimes und VRAM / Das Testsystem und die Benchmark-SzeneAvatar Frontiers of Pandora: Snowdrop-Technik-Fest im PCGH-Benchmark-Test [Video-Update]
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It uses HWRT for diffuse GI, reflections, shadows and even audio.
They Just have software fallbacks If your hw does not support HWRT.
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Really curious about the difference in visual quality between them.
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I was going to put this initially in the ue5 thread but figured it might be better here.
The performance metrics at the end claim 90fps with enlighten vs 30fps with lumen in their demo using a 3070. I suspect something like gta6 has rolled their own so it could be even more performant and/or less visual compromises than a middleware solution like this. 60fps gta6 and other future games might not be as far fetched as some of us think.
The performance metrics at the end claim 90fps with enlighten vs 30fps with lumen in their demo using a 3070. I suspect something like gta6 has rolled their own so it could be even more performant and/or less visual compromises than a middleware solution like this. 60fps gta6 and other future games might not be as far fetched as some of us think.
Do they use a special approach to Software RT, like signed distance fields or is it BVH in software?
I wonder if there are performance and/or visual differences between RT and non-RT cards.
Yea, this is gonna be interesting, cuz at least on first glance, I haven't noticed that the console footage has shown any significant lighting downgrade.
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I've seen this company around for over a decade, off the top of my head I can't name a single game that's ever actually shipped with them. I don't know how they're still in business.
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Middleware: Enlighten - MobyGames
Games using the Enlighten technology by Geomerics to update lighting an environment in real-time. Available as a stand-alone SDK or integrated into UnrealEngine3, it is optimized for PC, Xbox 360...
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Middleware: Enlighten - MobyGames
Games using the Enlighten technology by Geomerics to update lighting an environment in real-time. Available as a stand-alone SDK or integrated into UnrealEngine3, it is optimized for PC, Xbox 360...
Well there we are, problem is close to none of these games actually use realtime GI, and that's what this middleware has been advertising forever (there's what, 2 with Mafia 3?). Looking at the posted video, this is just a middling GI solution that requires a lot of work from devs thanks to relying on cubemaps and probes that assumedly need dev markup, I.E. it offers neither the quality nor ease of use of Lumen.
More interesting is the upcoming GDC talk for Snowdrop (New Avatar game) RTGI: https://schedule.gdconf.com/session...timized-lighting-pipeline-for-consoles/900545
Sparse octree probe system for caching GI spatially is similar to Lumen's, but seems to be implied to be worldspace instead of being rebuilt into the view frustrum frame by frame like UE5 currently does. Which is a good use case, you'd be able to accelerate updating cached GI by ending rays early in worlspace once they're within a probes view frustrum (diffuse only but whatever that's how that works). More importantly, it could allow for cached diffuse sampling volumetric fog/clouds independently, which would be great for unified lighting.
Also mentions two new denoisers, which is always neat to see as denoising is a major visual quality component in RT right now.
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For years Unity licensed Enlighten as their dynamic GI solution. This must have been a great deal for Enlighten as Unity decided to remove it that before even they rolled out any replacement.
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Yesterday we reported the news that Unity was removing Enlighten from future version of the Unity game engine. I mentioned multiple times in that story that the following statement made very little sense:Due to Geomerics shutting down Enlighten as a product, Unity is required to remove...
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Enlighten isn't so much a company but a set of GI tools that is owned by ARM (of mobile fame). the tools are licensed to Silicon Studios in Japan, who make games and offer tool services (building engines etc)
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At the max settings "Unobtanium", Avatar Pandora runs at 31fps on a 4090 at native 4K, the 7900XTX runs at 18fps, making the 4090 72% faster.
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NVIDIA RTX 4090 is 61% Faster than the AMD RX 7900 XTX in Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora at "Unobtanium" Settings
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora is one of the best-looking games ever made. We benchmarked it at “Ultra” across the fastest AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards, but there’s a higher (hidden) quality preset, “Unobtanium,” that’s even more intensive. We’ll test this forbidden preset on the GeForce RTX 4090...
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Averages 31fps? What are the percentile numbers here? Who would want to play at those framerates? I'd prefer playing on consoles at 60fps.At the max settings "Unobtanium", Avatar Pandora runs at 31fps on a 4090 at native 4K, the 7900XTX runs at 18fps, making the 4090 72% faster.
NVIDIA RTX 4090 is 61% Faster than the AMD RX 7900 XTX in Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora at "Unobtanium" Settings
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora is one of the best-looking games ever made. We benchmarked it at “Ultra” across the fastest AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards, but there’s a higher (hidden) quality preset, “Unobtanium,” that’s even more intensive. We’ll test this forbidden preset on the GeForce RTX 4090...
My point is: is that really a meaningful benchmark?
Or just use DLSS for virtually no noticeable image quality loss and play at over 60fps at the same settings.
but how many Stanely nickels per frame is my question ??
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Comparison between PC and PS5 for Avatar, the PS5 cuts back on shadows, volumetrics, ray tracing and shading.
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