Buying new TV - Go LED or wait for 3d?

Finally got my new TV :cool:

First impression: sensational!

Needed half an hour to figure out how to start the TV :D

There are even some HD channels around here - nice!

I put the picture setup to THX, which seems to be some kind of quality standard.

I have the feeling that I need lots of time to understand this beast!

I also linked up my new PS3 slim and tested a few minutes some demos: quality is really great, great picture, no ghosting or whatsoever.

with respect to input lag: I think I am the wrong person. I did not have experienced any input lag problems with LCD or beamer setup - and I don't have any problems here with plasma as well...maybe after testing a little bit more?!

and yeah, I fogot..there is this 3D function:

I first tried the 2D->3D upconversion of a standard TV programm. effect is rather muted, although it works.

then fired up PS3 again, I thought that Wipeout HD has a new update with 3D...nothing happened!
Pro Tip: my PS3 was hooked up first on a LCD, and I just linked it up today on the Panny. What you have to do: do again the setup for resolution and all this stuff, then the PS3 detects that you have a 3D TV and includes this option!

And with the new setup - > Wipeout HD went 3D (it asked me when booting up, if I want to use 3D mode)! To be honest, experience was so so at most. Like in movies, it was nice but nothing mind blowing. The panny seems to work very well in 3D, no artefacts or whatsoever for me...although I only played one race.

Then I remembered that there is Motorstorm in 3D available. Decided to buy it from the store (as an old MS fan, I could finally convince myself to buy it again).
Tested it and first used FPS view - effect was comparable to Wipeout HD nothing spectacular. Then I had the idea to put in TPS view -> bam, what a ride - was ridiculous impressive. Jumping put a huge smile in my eyes: what is crazy, the dirt and the dust seems to directly blow into my eyes, I often twinkle when I felt the dirt moves towards my eyes - cool!!

All in all, for the first view hours - I am fine with the decision...
 
Get on avsforum.com for some good settings. Ideally, you'll want it pro calibrated but it's not always an option for people.
 
thanks for the tip robert
do you know how much prof calibration will cost about (just that I get a rough idea...)
 
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Billy Idol said:
thanks for the tip robert
do you know how much prof calibration will cost about (just that I get a rough idea...)
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Around $400 for video from a very respected calibrator. Video only.

In calibration, reputation is key. A good calibrator with spend quite a few hours getting the best out of your display. You will likely be left with day and night settings, a great understanding of calibration and picture quality. They will also ensure the sources (360/ps3/dvr/etc..) have the proper settings for optimal PQ.

If you have a high end surround system, audio calibration is highly recommended also. Most good calibrators will offer both services in a bundle with good savings.

If you are in the uk, check www.avforums.com for euro model settings and local calibrators.
 
homerdog said:
You can get the 65" Panasonic S2 for $2000. It's not a particularly great TV, but it is effing huge :D
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05775600000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=L1


Personally I'd rather have the 58" Samsung C7000 for $2070. It's a much better TV, and has 3D if you care about that.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...HDTV/1466035.p?id=1218263520382&skuId=1466035
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I live in Canada so that Samsung is more expensive here... but I'll look into it. I am starting to change my mind about wanting 3D. I think that this Sony is starting to tempt me (I don't know if it's supposed to be any good):

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=d301aa07a3b81076510b9b4d37172f7den02
 
We canucks get screwed for pricing on TV's. Makes me mad. :devilish:

In regards to calibration, I'd recommend you let your TV break in a little before doing so (100-200 hours or so). If you have a plasma, during this break in period, limit the contrast to a conservative number and vary your viewing habits. It's not necessary, but it's just a precaution that many plasma owners do (break in period before calibration goes for both LCD/LED and Plasma, though). If you want to look into calibrating yourself, you can buy a decent calibration meter for $100-$200. The meter won't be as good as the ones used by pro calibrators, and your results probably won't be as good, but it's definitely an option if you're a DIY type of person.

And about plugging in settings from other people who have calibrated the same TV, be warned that sometimes it can have negative effects to PQ, especially if it's an older model where it's had several firmware revisions. If you're going to go this route, I suggest you try a few people's settings and see which one you like best, then you can maybe tweak them slightly to your liking.
 
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RobertR1 said:
Get on avsforum.com for some good settings. Ideally, you'll want it pro calibrated but it's not always an option for people.
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A pro calibration may not be worth it on the VT series. THX mode is supposedly very close to reference right out of the box.

Butta said:
I live in Canada so that Samsung is more expensive here... but I'll look into it. I am starting to change my mind about wanting 3D. I think that this Sony is starting to tempt me (I don't know if it's supposed to be any good):

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=d301aa07a3b81076510b9b4d37172f7den02
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I don't like that TV. We have the 46" version of it and the viewing angles are pretty bad even compared to the other LCDs.
 
what is nice with the 3d glasses: there are optional "nose pieces" available.
if you already wear a glass, you better don't put any nose piece on.
without glasses, you can choose two different styles and can adjust the hight of the nose piece - fits good, because I sometimes wear glasses sometimes don't!
 
homerdog said:
A pro calibration may not be worth it on the VT series. THX mode is supposedly very close to reference right out of the box.



I don't like that TV. We have the 46" version of it and the viewing angles are pretty bad even compared to the other LCDs.
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If you want ISF modes, you'll want a calibration done on the VT series. The ISF modes will also allow for higher light output which can be valueable during daytime. They also allow better control of gamma and color brightness. They had some issues which have been resolved with Firmware 3.0 but still the VT's prove to a bit of a pain for calibrators.

Sets are produced to tolerances, not specific data points thus the benefits of calibration for fine tuning. At the end of the day, it's upto you if calibration is worth it for but for the VT series, I'd do it just for ISF access.
 
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That's weird, the CAL-Day and CAL-Night modes are available right out of the box on the Samsung C8000. Of course, you still have to calibrate them yourself but at least you can try.
 
homerdog said:
That's weird, the CAL-Day and CAL-Night modes are available right out of the box on the Samsung C8000. Of course, you still have to calibrate them yourself but at least you can try.
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Seen this model at Best Buy..wow what a beautiful tv. They had a pretty good sale on it ~$2200 for a 55" and included a 360 slim, just did not have the cash :(. I plan to buy one at the beginning of the year. Also, they had some demo movies playing and it looked unnatural almost non-cinematic is that because of the 240Hz? This feature made it very appealing to me it made you feel like your on the set of the movie. Are plasmas capable of this?
 
2real4tv said:
Seen this model at Best Buy..wow what a beautiful tv. They had a pretty good sale on it ~$2200 for a 55" and included a 360 slim, just did not have the cash :(. I plan to buy one at the beginning of the year. Also, they had some demo movies playing and it looked unnatural almost non-cinematic is that because of the 240Hz? This feature made it very appealing to me it made you feel like your on the set of the movie. Are plasmas capable of this?
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Lol that's not the TV I was talking about. I meant the PNxxC8000 which is a plasma (and has better PQ compared to the LCD UNxxC8000 series, has less input lag, has a better antireflective screen, is cheaper, etc.).

The PNxxC8000 series has the frame interpolation feature as found on 120+Hz LCDs. It looks good for some things (the Planet Earth series looks great with it) but makes other things look odd IMO.

Normally for blu-rays I would recommend using the "Cinema Smooth" option instead, which sets the proper cadence for 24Hz material.
 
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