Alkohallick
Newcomer
OK Ive seen this in the menu, which one do i use?? BTW i just got a 46" Panny TC-P46S2
and would really appreciate any help as far as ps3 settings and/or menu settings
Buying new TV - Go LED or wait for 3d?
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OK Ive seen this in the menu, which one do i use?? BTW i just got a 46" Panny TC-P46S2
and would really appreciate any help as far as ps3 settings and/or menu settings
Alkohallick
Newcomer
ok gotcha on the "dark" setting i remember where thats at but do you know how i would find "24p direct in"? i don't think my tv has that setting. also i haven't seen that option on the ps3 either....is it only an available option on the ps3 if my tv supports it?
Alkohallick
Newcomer
TC-P46S2
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP42S2.PDF
I found this in the manual(pg26) ----3:2 pulldown Adjusts the picture recorded in 24 fps for optimum quality. (Off/On/Auto)
djskribbles
Legend
Ya, homedog thought you had a higher-end model. The S2 is a 60Hz plasma AFAIK. 3:2 pulldown is the standard method of converting 24p sources on a 60Hz display (since 60 is not divisible by 24). I think the option on your set is to either let the player handle it, or your TV.
Alkohallick
Newcomer
ok thanks i'll leave it on "auto" i guess.......btw what does the 600Hz thing do then? i thought that was it was for since plasmas dont have that inherent "picture lag" of lcd's
djskribbles
Legend
It's true Plasmas are better at handling motion than LCD, but don't listen to those stats. It's just a stat they use to market the TV (much like these ridiculous "Dynamic Contrast" ratios of 1,000,000:1 and higher).
There are two different types of judder, one is associated with film and it's low frame rate (24fps is a low framerate, causing judder during panning scenes). This type of judder or blur is what Plasmas are usually better at because LCD uses a 'sample and hold' technique when displaying the pixels, whereas Plasma pixels can update quicker. That said, LCD's have come a long way and they aren't nearly as bad as they used to be. Plasma still holds the edge, though. Frame interpolation is what LCD manufacturers introduced to combat this blur. It estimates the motion between original frames and inserts a 'dummy' frame, essentially increasing how many frames are displayed / second, and reducing judder.
The other type of judder is caused by 3:2 pulldown, which is a complicated method of converting 24 to 60. It's not really all that bad... this technique has been around for years, but it can introduce some judder or artifacts in motion. This is why higher-end models (LCD and Plasma) have higher refresh rates that are evenly divisible by 24 (48/72/96/120/240/480Hz etc.,) so an even pulldown can be applied.
FWIW, this is how Panasonic explains the 600Hz sub-field motion.
There are two different types of judder, one is associated with film and it's low frame rate (24fps is a low framerate, causing judder during panning scenes). This type of judder or blur is what Plasmas are usually better at because LCD uses a 'sample and hold' technique when displaying the pixels, whereas Plasma pixels can update quicker. That said, LCD's have come a long way and they aren't nearly as bad as they used to be. Plasma still holds the edge, though. Frame interpolation is what LCD manufacturers introduced to combat this blur. It estimates the motion between original frames and inserts a 'dummy' frame, essentially increasing how many frames are displayed / second, and reducing judder.
The other type of judder is caused by 3:2 pulldown, which is a complicated method of converting 24 to 60. It's not really all that bad... this technique has been around for years, but it can introduce some judder or artifacts in motion. This is why higher-end models (LCD and Plasma) have higher refresh rates that are evenly divisible by 24 (48/72/96/120/240/480Hz etc.,) so an even pulldown can be applied.
FWIW, this is how Panasonic explains the 600Hz sub-field motion.
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600Hz subfield drive is not at all comparable to the 120 or 240Hz ratings you see for LCDs. If you're really interested you can google "600Hz subfield drive", but honestly it's marketing fluff and I wouldn't give it the time of day.
ShadowRunner
Veteran
Its a shame, i really want one of those Mitsubishi DLP sets, they dont sell them in UK though no idea why not.
Because everything is bigger in the US and those 72in screens actually fit in US houses. In the vast majority of UK homes, a 72in DLP set would take up a whole livingroom.
Plus, if i'm brutally honest, they're just naff.
EDIT: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Naff in case you're not familiar with the brits.
I was thinking 72" might be a bit small for my new living room LB. 
See, in the usa a 72" tv would be "legit", see definition #2 below:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=legit
Having lived in both the US and UK (USUK is my favorite greeting) -- I will have to say that it really depends on where in the US you live. If you're in a large urban city, you can forget about a large screen, unless you're very wealthy or live in a converted warehouse.
My London flat had a larger lounge compared to my flat in Boston now.
Sure but i think it's safe to say that the US has a much, much higher number of big houses than in the whole of the UK. This would justify the existance of a market for huge DLP sets.
Here houses are just small regardless of where you are, unless you pay a lot for them. And even what we consider 'big houses' would not welcome a 72" DLP mammoth very well.
I think my main point is that they're just naff, here and in the US!
ShadowRunner
Veteran
Why do you think they are naff may i ask? From everything i have heard they give by far the best image when it comes to 3d. The new Laservue version is supposed to be stunning and blows LCD/Plasma out of the water. The only negative is the form factor but unless you want something that hangs on the wall its not really an issue. If your in the market for a 73" screen, space is obviously not the primary concern.
I never commented on the IQ, and i surely don't think they're naff due to IQ reasons. Having a massive, MASSIVE TV in the livingroom, which is not hung on the wall but actually just a MASSIVE block of plastic just sitting there on a suitably MASSIVE unit to hold the bloody thing is, in my view, tacky. Naff. Uncool. Geekapalooza.
Call it whatever you want, it's just not nice.
