Best HDMI 2.1 4K+ HDR TV for Consoles [2022]
- Thread starter Silent_Buddha
- Start date
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Not a suitable display for consoles, but it's QD-OLED so some might find it interesting as an indication of what gaming might be like on TVs when they ship.
Not for me since I find ultra-wide displays a bit of a waste. I'm interested to see what the Samsung TV's end up costing.
Regards,
SB
Not for me since I find ultra-wide displays a bit of a waste. I'm interested to see what the Samsung TV's end up costing.
Regards,
SB
Price for the Samsung QD-OLED would start at $2200 for the 55-inch, $3000 for the 65 inch, not such a high premium over LG OLED.
However, LG G2 series may be brighter:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...enges-premium-oleds-with-2200-starting-price/
Vincent Teoh noted that only the G2 and the Sony QD-OLED are expected to have heat sinks in 2022.
However, LG G2 series may be brighter:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...enges-premium-oleds-with-2200-starting-price/
Vincent Teoh noted that only the G2 and the Sony QD-OLED are expected to have heat sinks in 2022.
If only they also provide heatsinks for lower end models. Not for brightness but for longevity.
Or when oled is not super bright, the current cooling solution (no heatsink, ridiculously thin) is already enough? Thus adding heatsink won't add longevity?
Or when oled is not super bright, the current cooling solution (no heatsink, ridiculously thin) is already enough? Thus adding heatsink won't add longevity?
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Oh yuck, and if this is the same "grey" screen as the Sony, this might be a QD-OLED panel thing which would make it (at least for me) 100% not usable since the only time it appears black is when there is almost no light in the room. If there's even a normal level of light then even in games blacks appear grey. I am so used to the black part of the screen being truly black no matter what the lighting conditions are, that I don't think this would work for me.
Ooof that side by side with the LG 42" OLED really shows how bad the blacks on the QD-OLED are in a lit room.
Someone coming from an LCD TV which all have grey blacks would probably not notice, I'd imagine.
And the fringing would be a problem for me as well since I run with no scaling (100%).
Still, perhaps Dell/Alienware just did a really bad job with these things. I'll wait until he can get his hands on shipping QD-OLED TVs before deciding whether I might be interested in a QD-OLED or not.
Regards,
SB
LG WOLED = color bleed on yellows
Alienware (Samsung?) QD OLED = color bleed on blacks
-_________-
any idea whether LG C2 fixed the color bleeds?
interesting subpixel structure but unfortunately introducing fringing, but didn't look that bad with scaling and clear type (I use both anyway)
screen turning grey in bright room is a problem, kind of irony when LCD is good in bright room and bad in dark room, QD-OLED looks like to be opposite.
Damn, not such a clear cut upgrade, though it depends on whether you can wait to buy.
The Sony QD LED are expected to be $3k and $4k for the 55 and 65 inch versions.
The LG C1 65 inch can be had in the US for about $1800 now.
Big gap in price. The C2 initially will be maybe $2500 for the 65 inch before discounting?
The G2 with the heat sink and the new panel will be $3000 SRP for the 65-inch.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/21/22989183/lg-g2-c2-b2-a2-oled-tv-price-release-date
The Sony QD LED are expected to be $3k and $4k for the 55 and 65 inch versions.
The LG C1 65 inch can be had in the US for about $1800 now.
Big gap in price. The C2 initially will be maybe $2500 for the 65 inch before discounting?
The G2 with the heat sink and the new panel will be $3000 SRP for the 65-inch.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/21/22989183/lg-g2-c2-b2-a2-oled-tv-price-release-date
Hopefully more oled tvs have heatsinks.
The ridiculously thin screen is ridiculously useless. It also make handling it feels super scary, feels like I was gonna fold it in half just by rotating it from lying down to upright and vise versa.
Oh and as a bonus, my cat se ms very interested with the super thin upper part, and keeps wanting to climb!
The ridiculously thin screen is ridiculously useless. It also make handling it feels super scary, feels like I was gonna fold it in half just by rotating it from lying down to upright and vise versa.
Oh and as a bonus, my cat se ms very interested with the super thin upper part, and keeps wanting to climb!
Silent_Buddha
Legend
It also depends on the size of the TV you get. The 42" and 48" C2's are using the same panel as the C1's. The 55" and higher TVs use the much better EX panels.
For the 42" and 48" sizes I'd recommend saving money and getting the C1. For 55" and up if brightness and color accuracy (especially reds) is important than the C2's can likely justify their price increase.
Regards,
SB
Silent_Buddha
Legend
I find this curious. As no matter how long I've used my CX or what content I'm displaying the back of the TV doesn't really get warm to the touch. And the CX uses metal so it's designed to conduct heat away from the panel. So if it doesn't even get warm, it's obviously doing a good enough job as it is. I can't see heatsinks greatly increasing the heat dissipation of the metal back.
Perhaps the C1 runs hotter, but considering that LG moved to a light composite non-metal construction for the C2 makes me believe that it's also a non-issue for those sets.
My LCD TVs with their LED backlights are quite significantly warmer when I touch the back of them.
Yeah, this always makes me nervous with the 55" CX that I have. But a large part of that is just how heavy it is due to the metal construction. That's one reason I'd love to have a C2 (besides the EX panel).
Regards,
SB
I think the heatsink is more so they have even faster response or more accurate color response on the OLEDs as it gets back to low temps even quicker or allows them to use higher voltage on overdrive to reach the desired color faster. There was a brief sentence or two as to why they use it in some YT video, but I can’t recall which one ... they all blended together.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Looking at Rtings reviews of the LG C1 (no heatsink) versus the Sony A90J (heatsink) it appears that it doesn't affect pixel response as the C1 has faster pixel response. Color gamut is slightly better on the C1 for Rec 2020 and slightly worse for DCI P3, so that's mostly down to firmware. The A90J has better calibrated color accuracy but it's basically the same as the A80J which has no heatsink.
It looks like the only benefit attributed to the heatsink is slightly higher peak brightness. Here in order of brightness A90J > C1 > A80J. Interestingly, once Game Mode is engaged peak brightness for the A90J drops significantly more than for the C1. The C1 and A80J suffers an imperceptible drop in brightness while the A90J has a rather significant drop in brightness, so much so that it's only very very slightly brighter than the other two TVs in Game Mode.
Meh, not really something that seems all that important for me, but could be if someone predominantly watches non-Gaming content in a brighter room.
Regards,
SB
I'll still be waiting for the Sony QD-OLED reviews. Firstly, because I'm never buying a Samsung TV, secondly I rather have the same panel with a heatsink, thirdly Sony's picture quality always tends to be better than the rest and it looks like the right way to go instead of current LG OLED, which look like the 'older tech' next to the QD.
The only drawback of the Sony seems to be only 2 HDMI 2.1 but for me that's fine, I only have one thing plugged to my TV anyway.
BUT - if the reviews aren't what I expect, or if the TV is missing something I'd expect, my money is on a new LG G2 which looks very very nice and a great all rounder - I have to change TV now, my current one is fooked and keeps crashing every so often.
I believe the heat sink lets them drive the panel brighter.
OLED isn't as energy-efficient as we'd like. May struggle to meet certain energy-efficiency standards under certain conditions.
The thing about the QD-OLED is that Samsung electronics see it as a short-term tech, with their bets on QNED.
In fact, I think Samsung Electronics may still put their QD-OLEDs below some of their LCD models.
OLED isn't as energy-efficient as we'd like. May struggle to meet certain energy-efficiency standards under certain conditions.
The thing about the QD-OLED is that Samsung electronics see it as a short-term tech, with their bets on QNED.
In fact, I think Samsung Electronics may still put their QD-OLEDs below some of their LCD models.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Ouch, that doesn't sound fun at all with your TV problems.
I'm still waiting on reviews on the Samsung QD-OLED TVs from both RTINGS and HDTVTest. I already know that the Sony QD-OLED is not something I'd be interested in just because of the coating used on the OLED panels that gives blacks a grey look if there's any significant ambient light. I'm hoping the Samsung version won't have that coating.
I know many/most people likely won't have a problem with it, but since it will be side-by-side with my LG CX, those grey blacks in a lit room are going to drive me absolutely crazy even if it has noticeably better reds.
Even if the Samsung sets don't have the coating, I'll likely wait at least 1-2 years before jumping on, just so I can see if anyone reports better or worse burn-in risks compared to the more mature LG OLED panels. Considering that Dell has released a PC display using the QD-OLED panels, it shouldn't take long to hear about it if there is a greater risk.
I'm hoping that there isn't any significant risk associated with the panels (at least not worse than LG's panels) if Dell has released a monitor using it. But I know that isn't a guarantee as Dell had previously also released a monitor using LG's OLED panels which Dell stopped making, presumably due to burn-in complaints. This was around the C6 generation when LG's panels still had a fairly significant risk of burn-in.
Regards,
SB
Last edited:
I’m afraid the non-polarised coating that makes the screen less jet-black than current OLEDs is present on the Samsung, and the Alienware QD monitor that’s already out. Samsung makes those screens and also the Sony QD, and I think they’ll all look the same. I really don’t think it’s such a huge issue, but then I can control the lighting in my room to my desires so I don’t care. Perhaps in rooms with lots of light, things are different but again I don’t see people complaining about this too much.
