Tomshardware did.Did any reviewers look at mining benchmarks?
I've been betting Vega is worse than the 1070 at mining which gives AMD an opportunity to grab gamer share if 1070 shortages persist and AMD pricing is right.
So, Vega is pretty much an optical shrink of Fiji with overstretched pipeline and minor ISA additions.
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Stop what? Just because you don't like the facts doesn't make them wrong. What I said is indicated in the first review linked and it doesn't take a genius to reach a similar conclusion or not reject the evidence.Dude please stop..
Not sure about similar power, but the faster card may be using a bit more power in that case. Explained the math above, but doesn't seem much of a stretch based on what devs have ave achieved so far. Only a problem if buying Vega to play old games at really high framerates.DX12 and FP16 will be enough to beat a 1080ti at similar power ? Wait what ? Even RTG didn't dare to say something like that...
In current titles sure, but upcoming titles that actually use the new features? With no other changes the FP16 alone would make them equal.Reaching the (reference clocked) 1080Ti is too optimistic sure, but truth be told the difference to the GTX1080 isn't that great either, it's 33% faster.
It'd be an even better deal for consumers.If Vega 64 would have launched not too long after GTX1080 and power consumptions would be quite a bit lower, this would not have been a bad chip.
Fury X was released shortly after the 980Ti, with almost equal perf and perf/mm2. Vega is in R600 territory.All in all I think Fury X had still the worst launch, especially since it was meant to be AMD's answer to Titan while only having 4GB VRAM.
Forget about Navi, Vega simply has no business performing the way it does. They should fix whatever bottleneck bug there is and relaunch in 9 months or so. Though power may issue if it runs at full perf/mm2 efficiency.This one maybe an interesting foundation for Navi, if they manage to get what went wrong (just like NVidia did when they launched GTX580). I do not agree that Raja should get the whip.
Err, it's the biggest change in architecture since first GCNSo, Vega is pretty much an optical shrink of Fiji with overstretched pipeline and minor ISA additions.
It'd be an even better deal for consumers.
But it'd still be a 484mm2 chip with HBM that competes against one that's 315mm2 with GDDR5X and still a bad chip, Jerry, very very bad.
Fury X was released shortly after the 980Ti, with almost equal perf and perf/mm2. Vega is in R600 territory.
Forget about Navi, Vega simply has no business performing the way it does. They should fix whatever bottleneck bug there is and relaunch in 9 months or so. Though power may issue if it runs at full perf/mm2 efficiency.
Stop what? Just because you don't like the facts doesn't make them wrong. What I said is indicated in the first review linked and it doesn't take a genius to reach a similar conclusion or not reject the evidence.
At 250-275W with balanced settings Vega LE is around 1080ti performance in Battlefield 1. Maybe 5% under. Stick 20-30% more on that from FP16 and the math is real simple. That doesn't even account for the inevitable driver fixes as obvious there are still some issues in places.
Not sure about similar power, but the faster card may be using a bit more power in that case. Explained the math above, but doesn't seem much of a stretch based on what devs have ave achieved so far. Only a problem if buying Vega to play old games at really high framerates.
In current titles sure, but upcoming titles that actually use the new features? With no other changes the FP16 alone would make them equal.
In one game with botched up API support? What about the dozens where it's actually only 1070 level of performance? What about the weak 1080p performance across the board?At 250-275W with balanced settings Vega LE is around 1080ti performance in Battlefield 1
Where are the facts? I don't see them, link please!Just because you don't like the facts doesn't make them wrong.
Why forget about Navi ? AMD should be putting all its resources in getting Navi out the door . If they can have navi out in 9 months its best for them especially if its not based on GCN but something new. Leave the old stuff behind and just forge foward. In the anand review sometimes the 56 is 1-3 frames behind the 64 so its obvious something isn't scaling anymore in GCN on certian engines
In one game with botched up API support? What about the dozens where it's actually only 1070 level of performance? What about the weak 1080p performance across the board?
Where are the facts? I don't see them, link please!
First there was the magic drivers, then DSBR, then now of course FP16. Yeah just like Async Compute, we all know how well that one turned out. (hint: not well).
Best case scenario it's about exactly 1 year away, not 1,5 (glofo claims they're ready for mass production in 2nd half of 2018 with the 7nm "Leading Performance" -process)I guess he said forget about Navi because AMD need a faster card before Navi arrive. Navi is, what, 1,5 years away ? Best case scenario ? So...
wont matter if your main game you play is dx11 for years to come.
then its Navi time or whatever
Vega as a gaming card is dead on arrival.
dead
Yes. That and the fact that a quick incremental fix is much lower risk to pull off. They should also move to TSMC because that will give us an apples to apples comparison wrt clocks and perf/W.I guess he said forget about Navi because AMD need a faster card before Navi arrive. Navi is, what, 1,5 years away ? Best case scenario ? So...