AMD Vega Hardware Reviews

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  1. Anarchist4000

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    Technically they haven't introduced the gaming card yet. That's in a few days as you said. Tying gaming drivers to that release isn't all that unexpected, so hard to say the card was shown in a bad light as it hasn't been shown beyond these FreeSync and some initial performance tests at the end of last year.

    If features are slower then don't use them. That doesn't change the fact that a faster product on paper would likely be faster until proven otherwise.

    Clocks don't seem pushed though. They needed 1600MHz for the 25 FP16 TFLOPs that has been known for a while. Maybe voltages we're pushed, but clocks don't seem unreasonable.
     
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    It would not be anything new, if true. Historically NVidia has been able to extract more performance from the same or less theoretical FLOPS than AMD. The gap closed when AMD moved from VLIW to GCN, but its still more or less there.

    Titan X at 6 TFLOPS
    Fury X at 8 GFLOPS

    Fury X performance was within 10% of Titan X with 33% more theoretical FLOPs.
     
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    I think that's a bit beside the point. You probably won't notice any difference between any cards sold right now while playing minesweeper. You might start to notice some difference playing CS: GO. A bit more while playing Overwatch. More when playing Doom. And maybe even more when playing The Division, Wildlands or Ark.

    Point is: Of course there is a point where you have "enough" performance for given circumstances and you won't notice much difference. But that's testing with the brakes on. WHAT IF from the two systems in question one would have sufficed for feeding a display at 144Hz compared to one at 100 Hz. Still equivalent feeling? What if one system was enough for 100 Hz at UHD, the other only 60 Hz at UHD?

    We don't know that and yet we are fed with impressions that will lead many to believe "all equal", because that's what most people will remember, not how much more the brakes were on for one system than the other.
     
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    Does the whole "this is not a review," and the overly-repeated 'this is just one stupid test for fun' part elude you? I mean literally all of that verbiage is up front and repeated ad nauseam and yet there are seemingly endless comments now about how they should have done this and it wasn't good because of that. Sheesh. AMD gave Kyle less than a workday to do a blind test. You might have set it up differently. I would have too. Both of us would have failed to appease the ifs and buts crowd.

    If only Kyle had somehow slowed time down and also had a collection of comparable G-sync and Freesync monitors and ten different games, etc. etc. but, alas, physics held, time was not stopped and Kyle did something that pleased nobody in the time he was given. For shame!
     
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    No. But you seem quite upset about it. Maybe more than what's good for sanity? Cool down.
     
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    Seems unwise of AMD to encourage this, since their future plans for revenue in the higher segments is rather dependent on people spending as much as AMD can get them to...
     
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    Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 Card SKU names surface
    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/sapphire-radeon-rx-vega-64-card-sku-names-surface.html
     
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    You do realize that RX Vega is using drivers that no one has access to right? EnhancedSync was probably used, and if not, then it would be even worse as normal VSync would have been used.

    FastSync / EnhancedSync supplement FreeSync/GSync. They aren't a replacement. They replace VSync for when you are rendering above the max refresh rate.
     
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    You do realize that [H] wanted to completely remove FPS from their results last year?

    Also FPS is not the same as frame times or actual FCAT or similar results.

    FPS can lie, it was proven back in the microstuttering mGPU issues. FPS was great, but games "felt" bad. It was because of bad frame pacing.
     
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    Not in the least. I was literally laughing over the whole indignation thing after the video was so overtly couched as not serious. You have to realize that it takes a pretty monumental thing to upset me anymore. One of the blessings of a life turned upside down. I don't ruffle easily.
     
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    Unless that's an indication of AMD's thoughts on their future competitiveness...? [runs away] ;-P for CarstenS
     
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    Where did I imply they are replacement for VRR? I am seriously asking because this is the 2nd you misquote me!

    Nope, just regular VSync On.
     
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    What is that chart from? What's the x-axis?
     
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    Kind of weird that this thread circled to, what I'd summarize as, having a high-end gpu can adversely affect user experience if your frame rate is too high for your monitor because you'll either have to deal with micro-stutters and tearing, or deal with the increased latency of vsync or fastsync/enhancedsync. I've never seen matching a gpu to a monitor mentioned in a review before, and I've also never had a gpu where I needed to worry about it. Last time I had a gpu delivering framerates well above my monitor refresh was CS 1.6 on a CRT ;)
     
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    It's matching a GPU to the monitor, system, application, graphics settings, game revision, driver revision, specific level, mods, temperature, ASIC variation, phase of moon, etc.
    Even if Vega happens to latch to this specific threshold in this one game, we see enough variability based on level to potentially throw either system above or below the threshold in different combinations.
     
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    welp with 1080p monitors still being the majority and hardware moving on to making 4k work its only a matter of time before even low end cards will run new games at crazy high frame rates at 1080p
     
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    FE tests have also shown that at least some of the major new features are not implented in those FE drivers, like rasterization which is identical to older models
     
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    Surely you can always switch on some poorly tuned "Ultra" setting, designed to sell new video cards, and remedy those high frame rates. ;)
     
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    Thas not what i'm saying . I'm saying it will work too well. You didn't have issues with 970s getting hundreds of frames per second at 1080p . The logical step for gamers is higher resolution monitors with fluid hz like gysnc or freesync . But not everyone will jump to that , many gamers may have invested alot into monitors and don't want to do that again for a long time.
     
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