All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[mrcorbo]

But Americans tend to favour American brands over those from other nations. Even if the brands product is slightly inferior.

Get it straight. Americans like products that are marketed well and/or represent a good value. Insofar as domestically produced products and services are being made with this market in mind it stands to reason that consumers would generally find them more appealing. They were made for *us* with our preferences in mind.

This doesn't stop foreign companies from having great success here with products that are either specifically designed to appeal to consumers here, have a universal appeal that is unaffected by cultural differences, represent an incredible value or are superior in quality.

The reality is, with exceptions for some specific categories of products, country of origin just doesn't factor into our purchasing decisions very much if at all.

 

[dobwal]

I literally LOL'd.

Yeah, he is so ready for me to buy a PS4. Mostly because I told him I would set the PS3 up in his room. He already has a spot set up.

"Man it going to be so awesome when I have the PS3 in my room. I am going to be in there all the time because its going to be really cool!!!" This is the same kid who claims he is too scared to be upstairs by himself when I tell him to go clean his room. And asks me to keep the spare bedroom door (which is next to his room) shut at all times.

My wife on the other hand wants a new TV in the bedroom (We still have a 26 inch CRT from her late 90s/early 2000s college days) with one caveat. It is not to have a console hooked up to it. I am not sure what I going to do with the 360.

I'll probably put it up in the attic and take to the antique roadshow in about 30 years.

 

[dobwal]

Sony said they sold more PS+ subscriptions the week before launch then all previous sales combined.

That kind of makes me wonder what will happen to PS+ once the PS4 userbase become large.

Giving out free games to a small subscriber base on the PS3 is one thing. If you talking about 50%-60% penetration rates on the PS4 with a userbase of 100+ million, I wonder if pubs will complain about PSN+ being a competitor of older title sales.

 

[RudeCurve]

Indeed. After countless invasions eradicating any real culture, it's in our heritage to merrily sell out to the highest bidder. We don't care if our consoles come from the US or Japan or anywhere else as long as the product's good (though with enough faults to keep us grumbling) and the price is overly high.

That's the overall impression I get when I think about UK car companies. They all sold out to foreign buyers. Lots of great designs and heritage but seemly not British anymore.

 

[xcom_cheetah]

That kind of makes me wonder what will happen to PS+ once the PS4 userbase become large.

Giving out free games to a small subscriber base on the PS3 is one thing. If you talking about 50%-60% penetration rates on the PS4 with a userbase of 100+ million, I wonder if pubs will complain about PSN+ being a competitor of older title sales.

I think Sony must have figured out all aspect of this free giving of games and impact on future iteration of it and other aspects to be able to know if this model is feasible for 40+ 50+ 60+ 100+ million subscribers or not.

We will definitely some changes or MS will be forced to make some changes.

 

[AlphaWolf]

I think Sony must have figured out all aspect of this free giving of games and impact on future iteration of it and other aspects to be able to know if this model is feasible for 40+ 50+ 60+ 100+ million subscribers or not.

Must they? The revenue does remain the same though, they are giving away the same per user as they always have been.

We will definitely some changes or MS will be forced to make some changes.

So there will be changes or there will be changes? To what?

 

[Rangers]

In publicly available data, maybe. We don't know however what quantities have been sold through PSN. We might get to know that when Sony releases their numbers and assuming they list sales of PSN in their report.

I dont see any particular reason one console would sell relatively more digitally than the other.

It's a stretch but if anything AFAIK XBL seems to have better servers/download speeds in the USA, so this would lend to more digital purchases on XBO. Not that I'd put much stock in it, but it's the only major differentiating factor that comes to mind.

Also, "attach rate" refers to basically, full retail games, right? The concept would become muddy imo if you start including digital-only games of possibly small size/price. So you'd have to limit it to "full size" games that also have a retail disc release, imo.

 

[betan]

Government enforced love of Apple?
Please. Apple won government contracts because it had a product the government deemed to be useful and necessary to be used in classrooms and wherever they saw fit. The end.

Let's not turn this thread into one of those silly Apple conspiracy theories.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-22-2013/tax-men---apple

 

[dobwal]

I think Sony must have figured out all aspect of this free giving of games and impact on future iteration of it and other aspects to be able to know if this model is feasible for 40+ 50+ 60+ 100+ million subscribers or not.

We will definitely some changes or MS will be forced to make some changes.

Whats feasible at 10 million may not be feasible at 100 million. And you are not going to ignore whats feasible at 10 million because its not feasible at 100 million, when you are no where near 100 million subscriptions.

Look at Netflix, where they benefited greatly when they got streaming content for cheap because its was a relatively small business. When content owners realized the value of Netflix streaming service as it grew, their demand for compensation grew astronomically. Netflix's Starz contract was initially $30 million a year and Netflix's CEO estimated a renewal of that contract might cost 200+ million a year (it was never renewed). And that is off a subscriber base that went from 8 million to 25 million. Netflix pricing from 2008 probably doesn't work in 2013.

If the PS4 and its 4 million consoles can outsell total PS3 PSN+ subscription base before it even launched (or the first month of launch), the PS3 subscription base couldn't have been that large in the first place. Publishers might not of minded the instant game collection feature when it was based on a small number of users as most PS3 gamers wasn't PSN+ weren't subscribers. But if it changes buying habits (like subscribers buying less than non subscribers) and becomes immensely on the PS4. Pubs may demand more. A lot more. Sony may have to charge more or provide less free games.

 

[Brad Grenz]

But as Netflix grew, so did their buying power and now they make multi-billion dollar deals with Disney and DreamWorks instead of buying streaming rights second hand from third rate pay cable networks. As PS Plus grows they can pay more, too.

 

[DieH@rd]

Tomb Raider

I just checked current Amazon.com stats for Tomb Raider
PS4 #37
Xbone version #838

Amazon UK
PS4 #42
Xbone #222

MS has lost multiplatform momentum that they had in previous gen.

 

[RudeCurve]

Maybe XBO has a better 1st party library? Also since TR was on sale about a month ago on LIVE many people including myself don't have a desperate need to replay the game on XBO just yet..

For me there is no logic in spending $60 for a game I just finished only a couple weeks ago...

 

[babybumb]

Whats feasible at 10 million may not be feasible at 100 million. And you are not going to ignore whats feasible at 10 million because its not feasible at 100 million, when you are no where near 100 million subscriptions.

Look at Netflix, where they benefited greatly when they got streaming content for cheap because its was a relatively small business. When content owners realized the value of Netflix streaming service as it grew, their demand for compensation grew astronomically. Netflix's Starz contract was initially $30 million a year and Netflix's CEO estimated a renewal of that contract might cost 200+ million a year (it was never renewed). And that is off a subscriber base that went from 8 million to 25 million. Netflix pricing from 2008 probably doesn't work in 2013.

If the PS4 and its 4 million consoles can outsell total PS3 PSN+ subscription base before it even launched (or the first month of launch), the PS3 subscription base couldn't have been that large in the first place. Publishers might not of minded the instant game collection feature when it was based on a small number of users as most PS3 gamers wasn't PSN+ weren't subscribers. But if it changes buying habits (like subscribers buying less than non subscribers) and becomes immensely on the PS4. Pubs may demand more. A lot more. Sony may have to charge more or provide less free games.

Game publishers have little to no places where they can get revenue after a game has been released and not done so well at retail. This is very different from hollywood where they can sell rights to hundreds of channels in different countries and go to the highest bidder. They cant sell a PS4/PS3 game to anyone but Sony

 

[DrJay24]

I just checked current Amazon.com stats for Tomb Raider
PS4 #37
Xbone version #838

Amazon UK
PS4 #42
Xbone #222

MS has lost multiplatform momentum that they had in previous gen.

Check the art book SKU, I think they don't sell the PS4 one.

Edit: Ya, it is more like #40 vs #169.

 

[Strange]

Somehow PS4 stock managed to get wiped out again

 

[Silent_Buddha]

But Americans tend to favour American brands over those from other nations. Even if the brands product is slightly inferior.

That's a rather odd conclusion to come to.

After all, all of the dominant American TV brands (RCA, Magnavox, etc.) lost out to Japanese brands (over 2-3 decades ago), which are now losing out to Korean brands. Basically anything audio/visual tends to be dominated by the Japanese and Korean brands.

The best selling cars in America (for the past 2-3 decades) tend to be foreign (with the exception of light trucks used in workplaces).

The best selling phone manufacturer in the US is Korean.

The list goes on and on with foreign brands dominating entire market segments.

So, I just find that statement...odd.

Regards,
SB

 

[Brad Grenz]

But when you're buying a Fender guitar you really want one made in the US (although a Mexi-Strat is a perfectly acceptable entry level instrument).

 

[Inuhanyou]

People like the Xbox brand because of what they have previously associated it with. And targeted marketing in their specific areas.

I think its an insult to US consumers to make the short sighted view that its because of "buy American" that there are people who like Xbox One. Really, of all the shortsighted things, having blind patriotism for a corporation of all things is ridiculous, especially considering Microsoft is an internationally traded company.

I switched to 360 from PS2 as my main system(although i already owned an Xbox and Gamecube as well) because of Sony's fuck ups early in the gen, and i didn't buy a PS3 until 2010, after the first slim came out. The 360 at the time was simply a better value proposition for the gamer. It had nothing to do with what nation it came from.

 

[RudeCurve]

I never bought anything because it was Made In USA. I've been living in the US for about 40 years. Even the guns I buy are made out of the country.

 

[xcom_cheetah]

Some numbers: not verified link
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Gran Turismo 5 - 11.65
God of War Ascension - 2.70
God of War 3 - 6.14
Resistance 1 - 4.38
Resistance 2 - 2.59
Resistance 3 - 1.86
Heavenly Sword - 2.0
Motorstorm 1 - 4.12
Motorstorm : Pacific Rift - 1.90
Killzone 2 - 3.50
Killzone 3 - 3.04
Killzone : Shadowfall (PS4)* - 1.45 ( number is as of January 22,2014, best selling next-gen exclusive) *includes bundles
Heavy Rain -3.0
Uncharted 1 - 5.21
Uncharted 2 - 6.75
Uncharted 3 - 7.36