Thanks ZhugeEX. So, worldwide sales of the standalone and digital could easily be 300-500k units (or more) between October-December. Which would be considered successful for a remastered product.
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So, PS4 sold-through 20.2 million units by March 1st, and 30.2 million units as of November 22nd (i.e. additional 10 million units within 8 months).... and possibly an additional 5-6 million units by years-end (or 35-36 million sold-through). Are we looking at 50-53 million units sold through by the end of 2016?
That's staggering to think about... in the sense, that this console generation will be long (maybe long as PS2). With that type of install base so early on in the PS4 life cycle, it would make sense for developers to leverage that install base (that will continually grow) for a very long time. And honestly, I can't picture Nintendo's next platform gaining any leverage over Sony on forcing them into the next-generation of gaming.
That's staggering to think about... in the sense, that this console generation will be long (maybe long as PS2). With that type of install base so early on in the PS4 life cycle, it would make sense for developers to leverage that install base (that will continually grow) for a very long time. And honestly, I can't picture Nintendo's next platform gaining any leverage over Sony on forcing them into the next-generation of gaming.
Yes, that's exactly why i am saying next gen should become a thing in late 2019/early 2020. This gen is too successful for Sony and MS to throw away fast. In late 2016 to mid 2017 we are probably going to see the first slim versions of both consoles in 14/16nm FinFET and i expect the price to be around $249-$299.
djskribbles
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If we assume digital sales are ~20%, I'd say it's over 500k and closer to 600k but that's just a wild guess. Not bad considering it has only been on the market for ~2.5 months and hasn't had an official price drop yet. With bundles Zhuge says that it's a multi-million seller, so definitely a successful remaster
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I dont think those numbers are good at all. Is it less than ROTR where we have a comparison? Or maybe just a bit above?
You're talking about a system with insane amounts of hardware in homes. People are ignoring UCC by the millions upon millions. Maybe 35 million no buy, .5m buy?
Edit: Apparently 42k ROTR UK first week.
You're talking about a system with insane amounts of hardware in homes. People are ignoring UCC by the millions upon millions. Maybe 35 million no buy, .5m buy?
Edit: Apparently 42k ROTR UK first week.
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djskribbles
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Come on Rangers, you should know by now that install base doesn't directly translate to software sales, and certain genres don't appeal to the mass market. The budget of the NDC was likely very small compared to a big budget AAA release, so sales expectations should be on the low side. Your expectations are just far too high for such a release. For a remaster, especially one priced at $60, I would consider that a success, even if you don't want to include bundle sales (which SHOULD be counted).
So a remaster with a budget of likely a small fraction of RoTR sold roughly as much as a new AAA release. Is that good for the NDC, or really bad for RoTR? Or both?
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ZhugeEX
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Using the France example again, 'Uncharted: The Nathan Drake collection' had higher first month sell through than 'Rise of the Tomb Raider'. Again the numbers being compared exclude bundles and digital download and are a direct comparison of non bundled sell through.
Having looked at data for the U.S., France and the UK, it seems fairly clear to me that the Uncharted collection is doing fine on its own. As mentioned above though, the overwhelming majority of sales will come from bundled units due to the high number of Uncharted bundles being sold in during Q3 and Q4 of this year.
As per my previous post, it's not selling like a brand new AAA big budget game release, but it's certainly selling better than other remasters and even some other big profile games. I'd easily expect the game to achieve cumulative sell in of over 1 million units excluding bundled units.
Silent_Buddha
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Better than some remasters.
I don't think anyone is going to be beating GTA V remaster anytime soon.I wonder if it has sold better than the Tomb Raider remaster? It has a chance to beat Halo: MCC due to larger install base and the fact that MS really screwed up the multiplayer in Halo: MCC which turned off a lot of potential buyers.
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That we can agree upon.
Just wish R* would reconsider on adding some single player content... I hate GTA V online so much.
Some PS4 player had the game on PS3 and don't want to play it again... It is a collection for player coming from 360 or Wii or new player or ex PS3 player wanting to replay the game or never played it on PS3.
Prophecy2k
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Exactly!
When considering whether a title is a success it seems silly to me to not factor in the title's total possible addressable market. For a brand new title like ROTR or Halo 5, that would be the platform's total installed HW base. On the other hand, for a remaster of an old game that would be the total number of existing and new purchasers looking to buy the console plus the game they had never played on the previous platform, as well as a certain percentage of the existing platform installed base that are prepared to re-buy and play the game they have already played (which ostensibly would be a low percentage of the total existing HW owners).
So comparing the UCC to something like ROTR or Halo 5 is comparing apples to oranges. There's no reason to expect the two different types of titles to be able achieve the same absolute result in sales numbers. If you do you're either being naively obtuse or intentionally dishonest about your expectations, for whatever reason...
The only real comparison we can make with ROTR is UC4, as discussed before. And we all know how that one will go.
Prophecy2k
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It's such a shame really. CD had something really special with the new Tomb Raider reboot and it all just seems to have been flushed down the john by SQE, MS and their poor scheduling decisions.
Prophecy2k
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We're talking about SQENIX! They'll price it full price and it'll likely bomb because of it.
Billy Idol
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But the Master Chief Collection is a good comparison.
How many were sold of these in comparison to the Drake collection?
How many were sold of these in comparison to the Drake collection?
There is one thing to factor in there too.
The Uncharted Collection does not have the multiplayer component which the MCC has.
In addition the MCC contains, not just the 360 Halo games, but also the XB games which are remastered. There are a lot of people who havent played the old ones but played the 360 games. There are also people who would want to revisit the old games where it all started in next gen glory after so many years. The Uncharted games arent that old to begin with.
I have a feeling they will discount it pretty soon after release. Remember that the biggest releases of the year ave already been discounted just before Xmas (for a limited time). Even fallout 4 is around half price on the psn (until today I think).
It sold enough to hurt H5 sales.
BTW I would not call GTAV a remaster, I'd call it a staggered release.
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