All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[Prophecy2k]

I'm really impressed and amazed by how well the Uncharted bundle seesm to be doing. It certainly bodes well for the series as a whole, in particular Uncharted 4 which is launching early next year.

We could be looking at eventual sales of over 10m copies for Uncharted 4. Which would be fantastic for the series and for Sony and ND to have another success on the same level sales-wise as Gran Turismo.

 

[Rangers]

I think it sold terribly outside bundles, actually.

So it's kinda hard to really claim it sold well IMO. It's just what you get when you buy a PS4.

Edit: speaking of Uncharted collection, misread your post a bit, you did specify "bundle".

Still, I say the luster is on the PS4 hardware, Uncharted Collection is just along for the ride.

 

[Shortbread]

I think it sold terribly outside bundles, actually.

Any proof of this other than wishful thinking? Uncharted Collection standalone currently holds a spot (#89) on Amazon's top 100 Best Sellers for 2015. And charted #2 on PSN top downloads for October during it release month.

So it's kinda hard to really claim it sold well IMO. It's just what you get when you buy a PS4.

Once again any proof? This time proof that customers are just choosing Uncharted Bundle because "it's just there". There are what 3 or 4 US bundles to choose from, and somehow the willy-nilly Uncharted bundle happen to win? I guess people are flipping coins on which PS4 bundle to get...

Uncharted Collection is just along for the ride.

Pure Bullshit...

 

[zed]

Uncharted Collection standalone currently holds a spot (#89) on Amazon's top 100 Best Sellers for 2015.

Thats actually much higher than I thought it would be, I was also under the impression that it wasnt a big seller, I see now its sold slightly worse than the master chief collection (which also underperformed I thought)
Sure if you add in the bundles it will be one of the top 5 selling titles of the year, but bow with quite a few released, these remakes don't seem to sell that well generally, sure they cost less to make than a brand new game but still.

 

[London Geezer]

I think some remakes cost a lot more than other remakes. The Uncharted collection had some pretty extensive rework of all the assets across a whole three games. That couldn't have been cheap at all.

 

[Shortbread]

I think some remakes cost a lot more than other remakes. The Uncharted collection had some pretty extensive rework of all the assets across a whole three games. That couldn't have been cheap at all.

Depends. Most developers (especially Naughty Dog) create/design higher quality assets from the jump (start), and scale them accordingly. That's not say Bluepoint Games didn't contribute other resources... but I'm pretty sure ND keeps higher quality assets across all their IPs.

 

[djskribbles]

I think it sold terribly outside bundles, actually.

So it's kinda hard to really claim it sold well IMO. It's just what you get when you buy a PS4.

Edit: speaking of Uncharted collection, misread your post a bit, you did specify "bundle".

Still, I say the luster is on the PS4 hardware, Uncharted Collection is just along for the ride.

I agree with everything Shortbread said. You have no evidence of poor standalone sales. And bundles should not be excluded just because. The fact that it is high on amazon's yearly charts, as well as PSN's rankings tells us that people are buying the standalone game, and people are using their vouchers with the digital version PS4 bundle.

People don't HAVE to buy the NDC bundle as there are 3+ other bundles to choose from. Yes it was the highlight deal for Black Friday in the US, but it continued to sell well in December when the Star Wars bundle was also 299. It also continues to chart fairly high in Europe.

Not a reliable source, but VGChartz has the NDC at 2.69M globally... that's pretty damn good for a remaster that just came out less than 2 months ago. That puts many newly released titles to shame, including a certain similar game on the other platform which I will not name.

 

[Globalisateur]

Depends. Most developers (especially Naughty Dog) create/design higher quality assets from the jump (start), and scale them accordingly. That's not say Bluepoint Games didn't contribute other resources... but I'm pretty sure ND keeps higher quality assets across all their IPs.

Bluepoint improved all assets themselves. No higher quality assets from Naughty Dog.

Yes, all assets were improved by hand by our artists.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...king-of-uncharted-the-nathan-drake-collection

 

[Shortbread]

Bluepoint improved all assets themselves. No higher quality assets from Naughty Dog.


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...king-of-uncharted-the-nathan-drake-collection

I stand corrected. I'm actually shocked that ND didn't do that...

Usually all of there stuff (assets) is hand crafted, and of high quality. Call me shocked...

Edit: After reading the article, it seems certain new assets were created (earlier games)... but not everything. Which makes sense now. That Uncharted 1-2 looked more updated (improved), when compared to Uncharted 3.

 

[dobwal]

Any proof of this other than wishful thinking? Uncharted Collection standalone currently holds a spot (#89) on Amazon's top 100 Best Sellers for 2015. And charted #2 on PSN top downloads for October during it release month.

Uncharted placed ninth on NPD list for Oct and didn't make the top 10 for Nov, which makes his impression of its sales reasonable.

Amazon when it comes to software is actually very unreliable outside of top sellers thats killing everyone else. For example, Forza 6 placed 78th and FIFA 2016 (PS4) placed 79th for 2015.

 

[Shortbread]

Uncharted placed ninth on NPD list for Oct and didn't make the top 10 for Nov, which makes his impression of its sales reasonable.

Amazon when it comes to software is actually very unreliable outside of top sellers thats killing everyone else.

9th on NPD isn't bad considering its not a multiplatform title. AND of course doesn't account for digital sales. The last line sounded like Halo 5 pr... you know, 900% more sales j/k

As for Amazon, their yearly 100 best sellers list seems quite accurate on what items are hot and have sold welled. And the Uncharted standalone ranking #89 is quite good, for only being out for three (3) months, compared to some other standalone games that have been out all year.

 

[dobwal]

9th on NPD isn't bad considering its not a multiplatform title. AND of course doesn't account for digital sales. The last line sounded like Halo 5 pr... you know, 900% more sales j/k

As for Amazon, their yearly 100 best sellers list seems quite accurate on what items are hot. And the Uncharted standalone ranking #89 is quite good, for only being out for 3 months, compared to some others that have been out all year.

Look at my edited post above. Fifa 16 has been in the top 10 NPD for the last 3 months led by the PS4. Its no way Forza 6 is leading the PS4 sku of Fifa 16 in overall sales but it up to this point its has sold more on Amazon.

 

[djskribbles]

Uncharted placed ninth on NPD list for Oct and didn't make the top 10 for Nov, which makes his impression of its sales reasonable.

Amazon when it comes to software is actually very unreliable outside of top sellers thats killing everyone else.

October wasn't exactly a slow month software wise. NDP_Mulcair posted that the NDC sold over 300k including bundles and excluding digital sales according to NPD's October report. That's not bad at all for a remaster in one country. That's ~50% more sales than RoTR on XB1 and X360 combined in November.

Considering the fact that the US only represents about 1/3 of the PS4's install base, the NDC probably sold well over 1M worldwide including bundles and digital sales in October alone.

 

[Shortbread]

Look at my edited post above. Fifa 16 has been in the top 10 NPD for the last 3 months led by the PS4. Its no way Forza 6 is leading the PS4 sku of Fifa 16 in overall sales but it up to this point its has sold more on Amazon.

If you guys can offer me some evidence (other than conjecture / assumptions) that Uncharted Collection standalone has tanked in sales, please post it. As of now, I’m seeing the opposite…

 

[Rangers]

GAF had week one UK

2. Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection >38,100

(it was at least under 50k for the cap I think)

Not even top ten 2nd NPD...lets say it sold much much much worse than Halo 5 (~125k UK wk 1 IIRC, 1st in NPD) called a bomb...we can play the expectation game but only to a point.

I believe the NPD sales have been revealed on GAF too, but of course I dont feel like combing millions of pages or that, but IIRC it was maybe ~100k 1st month sales unbundled.

Edit: I found a number from GAF, UCC sold ">300k" (means ~300k or they would have said >310k, etc) in October including bundles. PS4 hardware was 275k, the (vast) majority of which were probably UCC bundles. So yeah.

 

[Rangers]

Amazon Best Sellers for 2015 (Systems Only).
#12 PS4 Uncharted Bundle
#24 PS4 Star Wars Bundle
#34 XB1 Gears of War Bundle
#50 PS4 Game System
#72 XB1 Assassins Creed Bundle

It's pretty amazing on how well the Uncharted and Star Wars Bundle has done on reaching those particular spots within a short time span.

By this it seems PS4 should have outsold XBO more than 2-1 for the year (two PS4 bundles beat the highest XBO bundle, meaning PS4 sold more than double that SKU). You can necessarily make the leap overall sales were 2-1, but realistically it was. Whereas NPD was what, more like +20% PS4? Amazon is PS4 biased...

 

[dobwal]

If you guys can offer me some evidence (other than conjecture / assumptions) that Uncharted Collection standalone has tanked in sales, please post it. As of now, I’m seeing the opposite…

Placing 9th on NPD with statements like "UC selling 300k including bundles" is not something considered selling well (I wouldn't necessarily call it selling "terribly" either) when simply making an attempt at extracting standalone sells. If you want to look at Amazon data, UC:C bundle has outsold the standalone title since release. If you give credibility to Amazon on the ability to parse out software and hardware sales, that 300k could be interpreted as coming mostly from the bundles.

If UC4 places ninth on NPD top 10 list during release month, sells 300k including bundles and place 89th on top 100 list for 2016 on Amazon, I doubt "selling well" is a phrase you going to use if that happens simply because it placed #2 on as a digital download on PSN.

 

[Shortbread]

We need to stop hand picking certain countries (US, UK, US, UK, US, UK,... you get the picture)... instead, we need to look at other countries as well. Uncharted Collection standalone has charted high in other territories during and after its launch. Even in Japan, the land of mobile gaming, Uncharted Collection standalone was able to move 25k units during the first week of release. So, during it's first week, more than likely, Uncharted Collection standalone (digital as well) could have sold 100k worldwide during its first week alone. NPD/Amazon are fine tools on gauging certain territories, but it doesn't gauge all territories.

 

[djskribbles]

We also need to keep expectations realistic here. So Rangers using Halo 5, MS's biggest exclusive, as a reference for comparison in MS's two biggest markets, to a full priced REMASTER, is absolutely ridiculous.

And I ask again, why does Rangers seem to want to exclude bundles completely? It's not just 'along for the ride' when there are other bundles available and it's one of the highest downloaded PSN titles. Not to mention bundles obviously affect standalone sales.

The fact of the matter is, we don't have any current standalone sales numbers. We only know that the NDC is selling very well for a full-priced remaster when including bundle sales. Everything else is just guesswork.

 

[ZhugeEX]

The Nathan Drake collection has actually done fairly well when you look at sales excluding bundles. It's not up there with AAA performance of course but it has done well in its own right. Of course the majority of sales will come from bundled units which have easily allowed the game to become a multi-million seller.

In order to back up the above I'll give you guys an immaterial data point regarding sales of 'Uncharted : The Nathan Drake Collection' in France. During the month of October the game sold 66,000 units in France according to GfK data, this number excludes bundles and digital downloads.