All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[temesgen]

Why's everyone hating on Rangers in here at the moment? He's just doing what everyone else does when they talk about their favoured machine.

He's one of the more respected voices on this forum.

I wasn't hating on anyone, I simply addressed the notion that supposedly PlayStation titles don't suffer poor sales.

We've had that discussion ad nauseum for the entire previous generation and more recently with some (who largely don't even like Sony IPs) suggesting Sony get rid of their first party studios in part because of poor sales.

It is well understood that Sony first party offerings haven't performed as well commercially as MS.

I'm not even going to address how GTA got brought up in the discussion that probably led to Ranger's comment about Sony first party sales.... Some of points being brought up if debated would play out as well as our rechargeable versus replaceable battery discussion.

 

[mrcorbo]

Some of points being brought up if debated would play out as well as our rechargeable versus replaceable battery discussion.

I love how that particular discussion stuck with you. I was elbows deep in that thread and had completely forgotten about it until you brought it up recently.

 

[temesgen]

I love how that particular discussion stuck with you. I was elbows deep in that thread and had completely forgotten about it until you brought it up recently.

I don't see the logic in comparing a first party exclusive like Uncharted to GTA. To me its apples to oranges but whatever floats people's boats.

We could go all the way thru the analysis since E3 when these machines were announced to see whose been more right and whose been more wrong. Regardless I don't think I was hating.

When I bring up how Netflix requiring an Internet connection isn't a valid argument you'll know the gloves are off. [emoji1]

 

[mrcorbo]

I don't see the logic in comparing a first party exclusive like Uncharted to GTA. To me its apples to oranges but whatever floats people's boats.

We could go all the way thru the analysis since E3 when these machines were announced to see whose been more right and whose been more wrong. Regardless I don't think I was hating.

When I bring up how Netflix requiring an Internet connection isn't a valid argument you'll know the gloves are off. [emoji1]

Oh, I don't either. You were firmly on the right side of the attack the post/attack the poster divide.

And I honestly don't even have that much of a problem with people calling out fanboys (as much as I see that as a futile, thread-derailing, activity most of the time). But if you're going to do that and not be a hypocrite you need to do it to *all* fanboys equally.

 

[upnorthsox]

You know, Netflix requires an internet connection..............that's important......

 

[London Geezer]

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[chris1515]

I am french and the article talk the PS4 domination in terms of sales and with old numbers in Europe and gives sales number of Rise of the Tomb Raider it seems it is not very good compared with the reboot.

 

[ZhugeEX]

I am french and the article talk the PS4 domination in terms of sales and with old numbers in Europe and gives sales number of Rise of the Tomb Raider it seems it is not very good compared with the reboot.

Compared with Tomb Raider 2013 the sales are very poor.

In fact, 'Animal Crossing : Happy Home Designer' originally released in October had a much better second month in November compared to 'Rise of the Tomb Raider' sales in November. This is France of course. In fact, to show how Rise of the Tomb Raider did on Xbox One I can share that the Xbox One SKU for Fallout 4 sold more units than the Xbox One SKU for Rise of the Tomb Raider in France. Remember, Fallout 4 is a multi-plat game and PS4 is the software leader in france by a big majority with multiplat games.

 

[dobwal]

Compared with Tomb Raider 2013 the sales are very poor.

In fact, 'Animal Crossing : Happy Home Designer' originally released in October had a much better second month in November compared to 'Rise of the Tomb Raider' sales in November. This is France of course. In fact, to show how Rise of the Tomb Raider did on Xbox One I can share that the Xbox One SKU for Fallout 4 sold more units than the Xbox One SKU for Rise of the Tomb Raider in France. Remember, Fallout 4 is a multi-plat game and PS4 is the software leader in france by a big majority with multiplat games.

That may be true. But we all figured that RTR didn't do as well as TR 2013 by mostly looking at metrics tied to the US and maybe the Uk, which is more comprehensive because those two regions combined make up a pretty good chunk of the market.

Citing first week figures from countries like France, japan and germany means little for me other than showing the performance of those titles in those countries. How does 60k in first week sales in france typically correlate with overall sales in Europe or globally? How about japan (globally and specifically western titles), germany or spain?

Unless, you are tracking PAL markets like they do at GAF where they are attempting on a monthly basis to produce an overall comprehensive list of the PAL market data, breaking out the occasional PAL market's sales data does nothing to show global performance unless some sort of historical correlation is done.

 

[ZhugeEX]

That may be true. But we all figured that RTR didn't do as well as TR 2013 by mostly looking at metrics tied to the US and maybe the Uk, which is more comprehensive because those two regions combined make up a pretty good chunk of the market.

Citing first week figures from countries like France, japan and germany means little for me other than showing the performance of those titles in those countries. How does 60k in first week sales in france typically correlate with overall sales in Europe or globally? How about japan (globally and specifically western titles), germany or spain?

Unless, you are tracking PAL markets like they do at GAF where they are attempting on a monthly basis to produce an overall comprehensive list of the PAL market data, breaking out the occasional PAL market's sales data does nothing to show global performance unless some sort of historical correlation is done.

*First Month

I have first hand access to this data and second hand access to data from other markets such as the U.S.

But if you read my post on the prior page (or whenever) when I first mention this it was just as an example to show how Uncharted and Rise of the Tomb Raider compared in France. I'm not going to go into specifics on every single region I have access to, hence why I just provided a few immaterial data points in order to demonstrate the overall point of how both games were performing in general excluding bundled units to help posters here understand a bit more about how both games were being received.

 

[BRiT]

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But, but, but anecdotes!

 

[chris1515]

That may be true. But we all figured that RTR didn't do as well as TR 2013 by mostly looking at metrics tied to the US and maybe the Uk, which is more comprehensive because those two regions combined make up a pretty good chunk of the market.

Citing first week figures from countries like France, japan and germany means little for me other than showing the performance of those titles in those countries. How does 60k in first week sales in france typically correlate with overall sales in Europe or globally? How about japan (globally and specifically western titles), germany or spain?

Unless, you are tracking PAL markets like they do at GAF where they are attempting on a monthly basis to produce an overall comprehensive list of the PAL market data, breaking out the occasional PAL market's sales data does nothing to show global performance unless some sort of historical correlation is done.

In the article they said France was end of 2014 the best market for Xbox One in continental Europe. Germany and France are probably better than other continental european market for Xbox One. Last number in Italy or Spain or Portugal are worse. 90% of the market for PS4 in Spain from the article for example. And I think in tiers 2 country it is worse...

Last hint from an other article for France was 4 to 1 for PS4 in France in October and the internal goal of 350000 Xbox One sales in 2015 was not reachable and if 200000 Xbox One sales will be attain on France it will be good. For Sony the goal of 1.1 millions PS4 sales for 2015 was on sight...

Sales for Xbox One GFK prediction would be 500000 end of 2015 for Xbox One and if I remember well 2.2 millions for PS4...


Edit: article

http://www.capital.fr/bourse/actualites/jeux-video-en-france-aussi-sony-ecrase-microsoft-1081415

 

[chris1515]

If I remember well Tomb raider and Uncharted sales are better in Europe than US...

 

[chris1515]

I hope for Microsoft than France is not the best Xbox One market in continental Europe anymore because it seems end of 2015 from 30% of marketshare of market against PS4 end of 2014 it will be only 20% of the market end of 2015...

Maybe Jim Ryan will say next time the minimum for continental europe of marketshare is more than 80% of the market and in some of the market they have more than 90% of the marketshare...

 

[dobwal]

*First Month

I have first hand access to this data and second hand access to data from other markets such as the U.S.

But if you read my post on the prior page (or whenever) when I first mention this it was just as an example to show how Uncharted and Rise of the Tomb Raider compared in France. I'm not going to go into specifics on every single region I have access to, hence why I just provided a few immaterial data points in order to demonstrate the overall point of how both games were performing in general excluding bundled units to help posters here understand a bit more about how both games were being received.

Im not interested in looking at a data points from a particular region regarding two different titles and make some reference in terms of which one is selling better. Nor do I want you to divulge the volume of data and its sources you have at your disposal.

What I am encouraging is for you to take that data and see if you can discover consistent relationships between regions and overall sales and share it here. So that when we get access to some sales data from france, spain, australia, japan, dubai or south korea we can infer what those figures may mean in relation to overall sales or sales of the major regions in which those countries lie.

Instead of giving us fish, I am begging (on behalf of B3D) for a fishing pole.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I don't think that's possible due to regional differences. A game might sell 50% better in France than the world average. Another game may sell 50% worse. Ergo it's not possible to extrapolate regional sales into world sales, any more than looking at NPD hardware figures is indication of the world breakdown of console ownership.

 

[dobwal]

I don't think that's possible due to regional differences. A game might sell 50% better in France than the world average. Another game may sell 50% worse. Ergo it's not possible to extrapolate regional sales into world sales, any more than looking at NPD hardware figures is indication of the world breakdown of console ownership.

You only know if you peruse the data and see if any strong correlation exists between a country, a region or globally. Its all a matter of probabilities but if in France a typical game's first week sales correlates with 10% of overall continental Europe first week sales 75% of time, you can extrapolate continental europe sales with just data from france. You might be wrong 25% of the time but thats better than knowing 100% of nothing about the correlation that exists between france and continental europe.

Even knowing that the correlation is poor is worth knowing. Japan sales doesn't correlate well with global sales so we never make an attempt to extrapolate what that data might mean outside of that country.

If he has that level of sales data and willing to share (the realtionships that exists), its worth knowing so our conjectures or our rebuts about someone else's conjectures can at least be back by some evidence not simply based on none at all.

PAL top 10 monthly charts are somewhat consistent so maybe some particular country acts as a telltale signs for overall european sales and it just a matter examining the data.

Evidence is always better than assumption in my book.

 

[function]

U wot m8

That's B8.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Im not interested in looking at a data points from a particular region regarding two different titles and make some reference in terms of which one is selling better. Nor do I want you to divulge the volume of data and its sources you have at your disposal.

What I am encouraging is for you to take that data and see if you can discover consistent relationships between regions and overall sales and share it here. So that when we get access to some sales data from france, spain, australia, japan, dubai or south korea we can infer what those figures may mean in relation to overall sales or sales of the major regions in which those countries lie.

Instead of giving us fish, I am begging (on behalf of B3D) for a fishing pole.

Read my prior posts then. They give more than enough info in response to the questions I was asked and chose to respond to.

I'll even link them for you-
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1888317/
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1888500/

 

[Shortbread]

Read my prior posts then. They give more than enough info in response to the questions I was asked and chose to respond to.

I'll even link them for you-
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1888317/
https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1888500/

So Z, I'm hearing PS4/XB1 have collectively sold-through ~54 million units worldwide. Given that Sony has stated 30.2 million units sold-through back in November before Black Friday. I'm reasonably guessing an additional 5-6 million units during the holiday... which would put XB1 between 18-19 million sold-through. How do your numbers compare?