All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[Silent_Buddha]

I didn't start the discussion. The point of the post in which you originally quoted was which bundle had more value packed into them, in which case, personal taste has zero relevance.

Personal taste has everything to do with it. I do not like Uncharted. I would not buy the Uncharted bundle if there was just about any other bundle available. Some people don't like Gears, and would never buy it if there was anything else available.

To me Uncharted being bundled has Zero value whatsoever because Uncharted has zero value to me. If XBO had a Rise of the Tomb Raider bundle, it would have no added value whatsoever to me as I am completely uninterested in the game.

Value is always in the eye of the beholder. And that almost always differs from what manufacturer's MSRP is.

Ergo, some people will think the Gears bundle is great value while others will think the Uncharted bundle is great value.

Regards,
SB

 

[DrJay24]

He was talking about monetary value. You can resell bundled games and a $40 item will generally sell for less than a $60 one. Tastes has nothing to do with it.

 

[djskribbles]

He was talking about monetary value. You can resell bundled games and a $40 item will generally sell for less than a $60 one. Tastes has nothing to do with it.

Exactly.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

He was talking about monetary value. You can resell bundled games and a $40 item will generally sell for less than a $60 one. Tastes has nothing to do with it.

I understand the point but don't think it's a legitimate case to argue in this context. When people are shopping for a console, they aren't looking for the console that offers $20 better pack ins based on RRP, factoring in age of the games being bundled. At the point people are buying, they typically know what machine they are going to buy and it's a case of a bundle being enough value to shift that console to that buyer - "I'm going to buy a Console X when it's this price". If Gears is enough to shift XB1s to new buyers at the bundle's price, its value is there. Only when you start getting amazing bundles of crazy value can you can start changing consumers minds about what to buy.

 

[djskribbles]

Don't get me wrong, personal preferences absolutely matters to many shoppers. But the debate was which bundle is technically better based on monetary value alone. And trust me, that also matters to many shoppers.

I frequently visit and post at a messageboard where people share and discuss deals (the Canadian equivalent to slickdeals) and many posters/shoppers strictly look for the best valued bundle, especially around the holidays. If they don't like the included game(s) they could easily sell or trade them in, bringing the cost of the machine down. Sometimes both games will interest them, so it could come down to value. And/or some people are just buying because they know the deal is in low quantity and just plan on re-selling for a profit, in which case the better valued bundle looks more appealing.
Also some parents who are buying and gifting consoles for their children sometimes don't know what games they actually want and just buy the cheaper or better valued bundle.

But yeah, I totally understand that many would buy the bundle with the games that interest them the most. I was not trying to argue that point.

 

[DrJay24]

I understand the point but don't think it's a legitimate case to argue in this context. When people are shopping for a console, they aren't looking for the console that offers $20 better pack ins based on RRP, factoring in age of the games being bundled. At the point people are buying, they typically know what machine they are going to buy and it's a case of a bundle being enough value to shift that console to that buyer - "I'm going to buy a Console X when it's this price". If Gears is enough to shift XB1s to new buyers at the bundle's price, its value is there. Only when you start getting amazing bundles of crazy value can you can start changing consumers minds about what to buy.

I'm not sure I'm following you. But we can simplify things. Gears comes with one game. The knowledge that there are free 360 for a limited time is not on the box. Uncharted comes with three games, it is on the box. Forget monetary value if it is too much to handle, 3 is bigger than 1.

Also, remastered games are going to have a higher value than BC games. Who buys new consoles to play last gen versions of games? Yah, 720P!

 

[ZhugeEX]

I've posted some new data from NPD and GfK here regarding the console install base in NA/EU-
https://zhugeex.com/2015/11/next-gen-install-base-reaches-32-million-in-north-america-and-europe/

 

[DieH@rd]

12M for US+EU holiday quarter is a lot. What do you think the split will be? It will be close in the US, but real bloodbath in the EU.

 

[ZhugeEX]

12M for US+EU holiday quarter is a lot. What do you think the split will be? It will be close in the US, but real bloodbath in the EU.

That 12m figure I quote is worldwide sell in. Which is a fairly conservative estimate to be honest. I'd expect the PS4 sell in to exceed 7 million this quarter.

 

[DieH@rd]

Well, 7M is not a hard to hit target, that's barely more than what they did last year when price was higher.

 

[Deleted member 7537]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

Fallout PS4 has already become the best selling title of 2015 in Amazon. :O

 

[djskribbles]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar

Fallout PS4 has already become the best selling title of 2015 in Amazon. :O

Damn. Bestbuy and Gamestop were bundling it with PS4's, too. Fallout is gonna be a monster.

 

[Rangers]

Some of GAF has jumped to the conclusion MS won October due to a cryptic quote by Cosmic Queso (NPD insider). He simply said "dont expect much spin this month". For reference, it's a thing on GAF to mock MS NPD PR "spin" when they lose.

I dont necessarily ascribe to that, my first thought was perhaps it was incredibly close so that neither side can really claim victory?

We will see of course. In about one hour.

But it's funny how the NPD anticipation is bigger than some games nowdays. I guess these are the big months though.

 

[Shortbread]

CosmicQueso

Let me break it down...

HW - No huge surprises, not on prediction, but not too shocking. Pies will tell the tale, it's boring.

SW - Metldown city. Not so much in rankings, although there are definite surprises. But the numbers, Mason. The numbers.

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[djskribbles]

So it's sounding like XB1 won by a small margin, and Halo 5 sold <1.5M. If true, no surprises here... I predicted both would happen earlier in this thread. Also said they would both sell between 400-480k so I'm curious about the numbers.

 

[Rangers]

HW - No huge surprises, not on prediction, but not too shocking. Pies will tell the tale, it's boring.

I'm wondering what the "not on prediction" part means? Did he predict one console or other to win?
The "it's boring" part sounds more like ho hum another (relatively close) PS4 win to me. I always thought the idea MS was a lock to win October due to Halo 5 was a trumped up one. IMO a hardware price cut is always a bigger deal than any software and PS4 had one this month. I mean, lets say in March XBO officially cuts to 299, Uncharted is out the same month, would we assume PS4 wins the month because of Uncharted? I dont think so.

 

[Globalisateur]

I'm wondering what the "not on prediction" part means? Did he predict one console or other to win?
The "it's boring" part sounds more like ho hum another (relatively close) PS4 win to me. I always thought the idea MS was a lock to win October due to Halo 5 was a trumped up one. IMO a hardware price cut is always a bigger deal than any software and PS4 had one this month. I mean, lets say in March XBO officially cuts to 299, Uncharted is out the same month, would we assume PS4 wins the month because of Uncharted? I dont think so.

There is an aggregated prediction from all predictive posts from GAF NPD thread that gives PS4 winning by <10k

 

[Deleted member 7537]

Being a Halo month, anything different from a signficant XB victory is a win for Sony. They pretty much secure their advantage for the rest of the year.

 

[djskribbles]

I'm wondering what the "not on prediction" part means? Did he predict one console or other to win?
The "it's boring" part sounds more like ho hum another (relatively close) PS4 win to me. I always thought the idea MS was a lock to win October due to Halo 5 was a trumped up one. IMO a hardware price cut is always a bigger deal than any software and PS4 had one this month. I mean, lets say in March XBO officially cuts to 299, Uncharted is out the same month, would we assume PS4 wins the month because of Uncharted? I dont think so.

You said the same thing earlier in this thread. Uncharted is not on the same level as Halo in the US sales wise. Uncharted isn't even Sony's biggest exclusive. Halo has always been a huge mover in the US. Halo 3 boosted X360 by nearly 91% from August to September and August was Madden month.

Not to mention Sony had 3 bundles releasing in November that probably hindered sales a bit in October.

Also, the significance of a $50 price cut depends on the price it's dropping to. For example, I think a cut from 349 -> 299 would have a bigger impact than 399 -> 349. Ultimately it's the price of the system that gets people to buy it. <299 is the sweet spot for a lot of people.

 

[AlNom]

Being a Halo month, anything different from a signficant XB victory is a win for Sony. They pretty much secure their advantage for the rest of the year generation.

Fixed.