All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[Deleted member 86764]

I think Microsoft really need to work harder at winning over continental Europe. I'm not exactly sure how it can be done though.

I'd be interested to know the breakdown of first party developers from Europe between the hardware manufacturers.

 

[dobwal]

Didn't Sony recently claim that they have between 70-90% of software sales in continental Europe? If true, I'd therefore suggest that Xbox One sales are significantly lagging behind PS4 in that region. I agree that Europe isn't the only place outside of the US that consoles are sold, but Europe is the second largest market.

Canada and Australia (the other countries that I imagine Xbox does well) have smaller populations than several European countries.

Edit: little old UK has a significantly greater population than both Canada and Australia combined. Who knew.

Its still hard to tell. Comparing to the Ps4 to One ratio to the xbox 360 to PS3 ratio doesn't tell you much as you need extra data to parse how badly or not the Xbox one (in comparison to the 360) is doing in Europe.

The PS4 to PS3 ratio isn't 1:1. Seems like the Sony is moving twice as many PS4 than PS3 over the same time period. Also, the 360 had a 14 month launch date advantage while the xb1 had stimultaneous launch date with the PS4 in some EU countries while others the xb1 had a 10 month disadvantage. In those countries where the XB1 launched just last September you might see ratios highly in favor of the PS4. But MS might of delayed the XB1 in those countries because the 360's lack of popularity (the ratio of ps3 to 360 were bad) or the countries are too small to make a relevant dent in the market.

Also it took the 360 about 60 weeks to hit 1 million in the UK and despite the PS4 being presence through out the xb1 availability in the UK, reports came out stating the XB1 hit 1 million last november or around 52 weeks. In countries where the 360 had a strong presence and we have some data, the xbox one seems to be just as good or better than the 360.

Its hard to tell because while the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One by a good margin, the XB1 may be doing better than the 360.

 

[chris1515]

I think Microsoft really need to work harder at winning over continental Europe. I'm not exactly sure how it can be done though.

I'd be interested to know the breakdown of first party developers from Europe between the hardware manufacturers.

In France we are the second country after Japan itself for Japanese culture. Last week it was the Japan Expo. Japan culture is popular in Germany too and they like Privacy the always connected and Kinect were a big error in Germany. Diversity of game is important and Sony has done a good job with long tail between AAA, indie and AA.

MS need more diversity, need more japanese game. World of Final Fantasy, Persona 5, Disgea 5, Star Océan 5, next Tales of game, Dragon quest Heroes, FF7 remake temporary exclusivity and FF 15 superior version are big here.

Playstation brand is better in Europe. Uncharted is big in Europe, GT is big In Europe, LBP is big here too. I don't think they can do anything without Sony doing big errors like during PS3 period.

They would have been in better position without error but it would have been a tough fight for Microsoft. The task is maybe just a little less difficult than in Japan.

 

[chris1515]

Its still hard to tell. Comparing to the Ps4 to One ratio to the xbox 360 to PS3 ratio doesn't tell you much as you need extra data to parse how badly or not the Xbox one is doing in Europe.

The PS4 to PS3 ratio isn't 1:1. Seems like the Sony is moving twice as many PS4 than PS3 over the same time period. Also, the 360 had a 14 month launch date advantage while the xb1 had stimultaneous launch date with the PS4 in some EU countries while others the xb1 had a 10 month disadvantage. In those countries where the XB1 launched just last September you might see ratios highly in favor of the PS4. But MS might of delayed the XB1 in those countries because the 360 lack of popularity or the country is too small to make a relevant dent in the market.

Also it took the 360 about 60 weeks to hit 1 million in the UK and despite the PS4 being presence through out the xb1 availability in the UK, reports stating the XB1 hit 1 million last november or around 52 weeks. In countries where the 360 had a strong presence and we have some data, the xbox one seems to be just as good or better as the 360.

We have data for tier 1 country like France(72% to 28% 31st of December 2014), Spain(9 to 1 end of May), Germany more than 4:1(20th of June). The worst ratio is France with 72% in December. Germany is 88/89%. Italy and Portugal I will search some numbers but it was between 4 or 5 to 1 to 7:1. Something like this.

The statement is clear... And when you compare the ratio to PS3 against 360 it is only 2:1, Spain for example. In Spain Vita beat the Xbox One by 8 to 1...

We have many number gives by GFK not very often but each time it was not good for Xbox One.

 

[Deleted member 86764]

it took the 360 about 60 weeks to hit 1 million in the UK and despite the PS4 being presence through out the xb1 availability in the UK, reports came out stating the XB1 hit 1 million last november or around 52 weeks. In countries where the 360 had a strong presence and we have some data, the xbox one seems to be just as good or better than the 360.

Xbox is without a doubt strong in the UK, but I'm not in any way convinced that the Xbox One is selling anywhere close to the 360 on the continent.

 

[wco81]

How visible is the MS brand in general? Of course tons of PCs with Windows.

Sony makes sleek if overrated consumer electronics.

They also sponsor UEFA and F1.

There was talk about MS buying naming rights to the Bernabeu but that didn't happen so MS seems to have a low brand profile in Europe.

 

[chris1515]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1045420

13 of May 2015 70% of marketshare for PS4 in Italy and the other 30% are shared between Xbox One and Wii U.

 

[chris1515]

How visible is the MS brand in general? Of course tons of PCs with Windows.

Sony makes sleek if overrated consumer electronics.

They also sponsor UEFA and F1.

There was talk about MS buying naming rights to the Bernabeu but that didn't happen so MS seems to have a low brand profile in Europe.

MS had he right for Liga with Real Madrid and Barcelona in Spain for Xbox One and they lose 9 to 1.

Console equal Playstation in Spain. They don't ask if you have a console but what is the model of Playstation you have. Sony beat MS in continental Europe with a 600 euros console with inferior multiplatform version.

 

[chris1515]

They paid 20 millions euros for sponsoring Liga and it was a loss of money.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=99102506

Each match of soccer league on Spain some Xbox One ad but it is not working...

 

[chris1515]

MS need to do a flawless launch in continental Europe and Sony need to do many error to lost some ground against the Xbox Two. I don't know what they can do for this generation.

 

[chris1515]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1040572&page=

Sony sold 100000 PS4 (1% of Portugal population) no data for Xbox One and 360 because it was probably very bad number for this two consoles.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

How visible is the MS brand in general? Of course tons of PCs with Windows.

There's brand recognition and brand perception. I'm sure many people recognise the Microsoft brand but I'd also bet a lot of people's perception of Microsoft may have been soured by using a cheap PC. I'm not joking when I say that Windows XP was a large motivator for me to try (then buy) a Mac in 2004.

Sony makes sleek if overrated consumer electronics. They also sponsor UEFA and F1.

If people are [over] rating their Sony equipment then that's good for Sony's brand recognition.

 

[djskribbles]

Based on what evidence?

HW sales outside of the US and UK have been terrible for XB1 (a lot worse than X360 even), whereas sales in the US/UK remain strong. Add to that, XB1 wasn't even available in many countries for several months. Last gen has little to no relevance with this gen.

I do think 70% is a bit much, I still think it's closer to 60%. But it's all just guesswork. That said, I HIGHLY doubt it's ~50%.

 

[Globalisateur]

Yep @function , we did it. Yu Suzuki must be very happy I reckon (and I think he can thank Sony for the big publicity last E3): Set a timid goal at 2 millions and break the record at 6.

The PS4 physical (collector) edition will get on very well with my Dreamcast copies of Shenmue 1 & 2. As usual I'll play with the digital game...

Now let's talk about that Ferrari f355 sequel...

 

[Rangers]

HW sales outside of the US and UK have been terrible for XB1 (a lot worse than X360 even), .

See, that's the part we dont really have evidence for. People confuse XBO is getting clobbered by PS4 in continental EU with XBO is selling worse gen over gen relatively than 360 in continental EU. There's not really hard evidence to my knowledge of the latter.

I doubt anybody like Chris can show me "OK X360 did this number in Portugal in it's 1st year and XBO did 50% less" or whatever. Although even then it wouldn't prove anything by itself, and you'd have to account for XBO getting a late start etc.

XBO ratio being up to 55% USA I could reasonably see, but I'd be surprised if it's higher. My working estimate will remain ~50%.

And remember again there's lots of slop in the ship numbers, they usually seem slightly higher than recorded sales for whatever reason (demo units, giveaways and stuff maybe). So comparing USA hard NPD sales to worldwide ship, the extra slop will be in the ship numbers part or the rest of world part not USA, somewhat inflating them vs NPD recorded sales for one country only.\

Also we do have Xbox One ship totals for the two quarters MS gave them. Which was 5.1 million. And NPD sales for those quarters was 2.527 million. So the 50% ratio held there perfectly, despite XBO launching late in all but the large EU markets.

Now too be fair I wouldn't put too much stock in any quarter or two as the USA:World ratio can vary a lot for a given quarter especially a slow one, it only holds over the long term. So had the ratio been 70% I still wouldn't have seen it as evidence of much, but it is a data point.

But, as I keep pointing out it's unlikely MS is ever going to publicize many numbers this gen. While the 200 sales watchers here and on Neogaf might be shocked if MS announced tomorrow they've shipped 15 million, as I believe they are near, all that would happen in the wider world is IGN and other sites would put up some stories and videos about how PS4 is WAY ahead of Xbox One based on Sony's reporting so far (the 22.3m last time they mentioned, etc). And MS could live without that publicity.

 

[Rangers]

The Xbox One has seen a 17% increase for the first six months of 2015 compared to the same time frame last year. The console price has dropped $150 and new bundles have been introduced in order to promote the console and encourage additional sales. Whilst sales are up this year the cumulative total and half year total remains behind the PlayStation 4 which has remained at the same price and is now a higher price than the Xbox One. It'll be interesting to see how the console performs in the second half of the year which is usually much stronger than the first half for Microsoft.

Yes, based on last year were XBO won Nov-Dec by 600k+, and the fact IIRC PS4 leads by something like 270k units so far into calender 2015, there's a reasonable chance XBO could win calender 2015 year sales. Which obviously if they keep doing there's also a very reasonable chance they eventually pull ahead of PS4 in the USA. For example the current gap is 770K I think, and winning the holidays by 600k or more again would obviously put XBO perilously close to PS4, depending also on the intervening 4 months as well.

All that said there's so much guesswork involved I wouldn't speculate too much. There's far from any guarantee XBO can even win the holidays again really. Just expecting it to be the same as last time isn't the best predictor, although the XBO does look to have a strong software lineup this fall. Of course the big wild card is any possible PS4 price cut. Personally I'm not expecting one anytime soon but you never know.

 

[djskribbles]

See, that's the part we dont really have evidence for. People confuse XBO is getting clobbered by PS4 in continental EU with XBO is selling worse gen over gen relatively than 360 in continental EU. There's not really hard evidence to my knowledge of the latter.

There may or may not be, I dunno. All I know is the HW ratios are often doubling last-gen ratios in EUR, and software charts are dominated by PS4 (which is probably a more useful stat on this topic). PS4 HW is dominating XB1 in EUR, but HW sales never translate to SW sales 1:1. In Germany last week, PS4 had 16 titles in the top 50 vs 3 on XB1. I never remembered it being THAT bad.

Also we do have Xbox One ship totals for the two quarters MS gave them. Which was 5.1 million. And NPD sales for those quarters was 2.527 million. So the 50% ratio held there perfectly, despite XBO launching late in all but the large EU markets.

2.527M was their sales, 5.1M was their shipped numbers. The last quarter they reported was from October - December where they shipped 3.9M, and that's the quarter where there's usually a large number of unsold units in the channel. 5.1M shipped was probably more like 4-4.5M sold... tops.

And again, remember that the XB1 wasn't available in many parts of EUR for several months, and MS seemed to have allocated a lot of units to the US earlier on.

I still think 60% is more a reasonable guess.

 

[DieH@rd]

Also, there's a tendency on GAF to view the Xone as a disaster in Europe. But it often easily places popular multiplats in the two position in France and even Germany.

There are more than enough clear proofs that Xbone software is tracking VERY slow in Germany [for which we get regular weekly top50 software sales lists]. Those sales awards posted up also paint a clear picture. Heck, Sony admitted that they are having 70-90% lead in continental Europe against Xbone, while in Germany they have a bit more than 4:1 lead.

Based on what evidence?

I see no reason to assume things have changed since 360. In fact it's much more plausible to assume historical trends hold.

Really? You expect history to repeat even though PS4 is not releasing one year later with higher price like PS3 did, and after MS royally fucked up not only their marketing, services, SKUs, but also pricing and release across much of the world [tier2/3 deployment]?

MS is loosing everywhere, and only in US and UK they are at least having success in fighting back the PS4.

 

[BRiT]

Not sure where else to put this after the Shenmue 3 Kickstarter thread that I kickstartered in the games sub forumum was locked for no clearly understandable reason (except that the world hates Freedom and also Shenmue), but ...

..... Shenmue 3, the game that people said would never exist, has now broken the kickstarter record for video games and passed 6 million dollars in pledges despite being on only two platforms.

I think that's pretty special, given that the last game came out 14 years ago for the doomed (but sexuality redefining) Dreamcast console (also co-designed by Yu Suzuki).

Gamers are dicks, but sometimes we can pull off something that 99% of the world deems ridiculous and lock-worthy.

There was a merger of multiple Shenmue threads, and one of the merged thread was supposed to be opened. For whatever reasons that wasn't the case. This has been corrected.

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/shenmue-3.44670

 

[chris1515]

We have number not only ratio for Germany it is 1,6 millions PS4 against 3740000 (20th June 2015).

For France 1,1 millions of PS4 against 416000 Xbox One (31st December 2014).

For Spain 700000 PS4 against 78000 Xbox One (31St May 2015).

And this 3 country are the biggest market of continetal Europe. After Italy or Portugal are just behind. In other market The Xbox One probably sold a few tens thousand of units and the PS4 between 50000 and 100000 units.