"...Sony (PS4) really has the wind at their back this generation"
"....Glad to see that the PC gaming sector is very healthy"
"...The PC_XBOX_Surface family sold [enter percentage] claims Microsoft representative" *future spin*
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"...Sony (PS4) really has the wind at their back this generation"
"....Glad to see that the PC gaming sector is very healthy"
"...The PC_XBOX_Surface family sold [enter percentage] claims Microsoft representative" *future spin*
DuckThor Evil
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It was a very dry quarter for Ubisoft. It really is quite pointless to draw numbers and percentages from a single quarter, especially when nothing is released. A year is a good yard stick with these numbers. This quiet quarter looks significantly different to full year. PC and Mobile are smaller, PS4 and One are bigger during 12 months, when the big titles hit and are counted.
Actually, at 27% vs 11% that'd be closer to 2.5 times as many games on PS4.
Anyone feel like taking a guess at how many of those PS4 owners are 360 owners that have failed to migrate to Xbox 1?
Me! Me! Ummm, seven. No, fourteen thousand and eighty-six. No, no, five million, two hundred and seventy-seven thousand, four hundred and ninety-four. No, ur...thirty six?
Am I close? What do I win?
Yeah its pointless. Less quarter it was 23% vs 19% (PS4 vs X1) with PC coming in at 23%. But for the full fiscal year ending in March 15 it was 32% vs 20% in the PS4 favor with the PC at 12%.
Console games sales tend to weighted towards the holiday season when the big AAA games are dropped. I guess PC games tend to be more even for some reason.
November / December software and console sales will be good to get. Lets hope for lots of NPD leaks and public Euro figures.
I'm sure Sony will give out PS4 sales, but even in financial reports MS are likely to list only "Xbox family".
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I'm sure Sony will give out PS4 sales, but even in financial reports MS are likely to list only "Xbox family".
I can draw a special picture of you in paint? I'm good at that!
Why guess?
In the summer of 2014, Sony reported that 31% of PS4 userbase are X360+Wii owners who did not own PS3 [when counted people who did not own anything from 7th gen [17%], staggering 48% of PS4 base did not own PS3]. Recently, Sony confirmed that 40% of PS4 userbase are people who did not use PS3. So that ratio of people is getting smaller, but it is still significant. If the current install base is 25M, 10M are users who did not have access to PS3 and its many great franchises. [expect more PS3 remasters
] Sony demolished MS userbase with PS4.
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I hadn't seen that market research before now, only the statement by Sony that a lot of PS4 owners didn't have a PS3 - which is subtly different than this confirmation of platform switching.
I've said many times before, but this is the behaviour of a healthy consumer base, i.e, not a fanboy-dominated market who will buy a console because of the manufacturer. Many PS2 owners swung to 360, a fair chunk of 360 owners have swung to PS4. This means console makers need to make compelling platforms and they can't survive on what they did before.
I've said many times before, but this is the behaviour of a healthy consumer base, i.e, not a fanboy-dominated market who will buy a console because of the manufacturer. Many PS2 owners swung to 360, a fair chunk of 360 owners have swung to PS4. This means console makers need to make compelling platforms and they can't survive on what they did before.
It seemed like a significant minority of people last gen owned both a PS3 and a 360 - PS3 for it's nice lineup of exclusives and the fact it was a kickass bluray player, and the 360 for multiplatform games. This generation Sony Exclusives are just as good, but the PS4 now has the advantage for multiplats and it also started out cheaper.
So 40% of PS4 owners might not have owned a PS3, but of the 60% that did own a PS3 some of them will have been 360 owners too that have this time ditched the 360 because of consistently inferior multiplats (regardless of whether they always know what they're looking at! ).
It's not just soley 360 -> soley PS4 users that should worry MS, it's multiplatform gamers who used the 360 as their multiplatform machine that now have no reason to stick with a MS system in any capacity.
While trying to find some figures on multi-platform ownership (found nothing specifically about 360+PS3 unfortunately), I came across this fascinating 2012 survey:
http://www.slideshare.net/ceobroadband/nielsen-us-gaming-a-360-view
There's lots of interesting stuff, but slide 17 is particularly interesting. Back in 2012, 64% of 360 owners wanted a Nextbox, and only 50% of PS3 owners wanted a PS4.
2013: BOOM ... reveal tent.
So 40% of PS4 owners might not have owned a PS3, but of the 60% that did own a PS3 some of them will have been 360 owners too that have this time ditched the 360 because of consistently inferior multiplats (regardless of whether they always know what they're looking at!
).It's not just soley 360 -> soley PS4 users that should worry MS, it's multiplatform gamers who used the 360 as their multiplatform machine that now have no reason to stick with a MS system in any capacity.
While trying to find some figures on multi-platform ownership (found nothing specifically about 360+PS3 unfortunately), I came across this fascinating 2012 survey:
http://www.slideshare.net/ceobroadband/nielsen-us-gaming-a-360-view
There's lots of interesting stuff, but slide 17 is particularly interesting. Back in 2012, 64% of 360 owners wanted a Nextbox, and only 50% of PS3 owners wanted a PS4.
2013: BOOM ... reveal tent.
Because no-one has that number.
How many of that 10 million were 360 owners? 1 million? 9 million?
Actually, thats not accurate either. What Sony is reporting as not previous PS3 users can also include users who decided to create a new gamertag instead of using their previous gamer tag. Theyre merely reporting the number of new gamertags created as not previous owners.
RancidLunchmeat
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I am not sure of that. I was under the impression that the data was taken from consumer surveys, not gamertag info?
If it is gamertag info then the data is even more meaningless. Assuming that it is not, and is based on extrapolated survey data, it's more interesting but as stated above there's no way of knowing how many were 360 owners, Wii Owners, or entirely new to the console market. Considering that Ubisoft just came out and again gave us more information on just how many 360 owners there are and how they continue to buy games, it doesn't seem likely that the majority are 360 to PS4 users. The 360 user base still exists, it hasn't vanished.
I would bet that the majority of PS4 (not PS3 previous) owners comes from two categories - Wii users, a huge phenom that was built off of parents buying their children consoles. Those children have grown up, have not migrated to the WiiU because N completely failed in that endeavor, and have purchased what I will call "a real console" and have chosen then PS4. The second category are PC gamers that have now realized there's no reason to have great gaming PCs because everything is restricted to console ports so they might as well just buy a console and not worry about RAM and GPU upgrades.
Certainly, there's some 360 owners that bought a PS4. As Function said, that's a feature of a healthy market. But as Shifty said, we have no idea what the actual hit to MS's customer service base actually is. Really, the only important data here is the confirmation that the 360 market is still huge and is still supporting these developers.
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You're right but I wonder how many people have given up the account they used on their PS3/PSP/Vita to create a new account on PS4. It's not a huge loss; trophies zero and you'll lose a access to some Cross-buy games (or have to re-buy them) but for what reason would you not continue using your existing PSN login?
steveOrino
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Yeah pretty interesting.
A big deal about Kinect (motion controls in general) in communal spaces in that survey and I would be interested in revised numbers now that the fad has eroded.
Maybe we can get a full post mortem about the Xbox brand as a whole from Kinect's release to the Xbox One's reveal years into the future. Both Sony and Microsoft have sabotaged themselves over these last 2 generations receptively by building up a decent sized consumer base then carpet bombing it with sticker shock and brand confusion.
I hope both have came to the conclusion that:
Early adopters buy these things to play games on.
They don't give a shit about extra media functions (especially ones that add cost) they can find elsewhere.
These consumers are extremely important to future sales beyond the first few years (especially in a multiplayer age of gaming).
After the damage has been done the rest of the generation is going to be brand rebuilding to hopefully get back to where it was previously.
Sub vs master account. You choose a name that is embarrising now. Forgot password and no access to email account to get the password back etc etc.
Many possibilities
cheapchips
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VR requires as powerful 3d hardware as can be achieved. Targeting it for next-gen isn't going to harm either console. In the unlikely event VR flops, they'll still be left with the best core gaming experience possible inside console constraints.
I don't know. Even though MS failed at it's original reveal/messaging of the XB1... I think the main issue was pricing. If we're truly honest with ourselves, MS could have met or beaten Sony sales within the US and UK (if the launch price was 349-399$). But that's water under the bridge now...
If the software is compelling enough and the bundled launch price was right... I believe VR/AR would be a major success.
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You can convert sub accounts to master accounts and don't need access to an email account to have your password reset, so less possibilities. What I'm driving at, is that there are unlikely to be large volume of such users.Sub vs master account. You choose a name that is embarrising now. Forgot password and no access to email account to get the password back etc etc.
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