All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[Shortbread]

Anybody have an idea what sales are for both platforms including digital?

Not sure... however, at the end of September 2014, Sony sold around 300k Destiny Bundles and Amazon had the standalones ranked at 18 (XB1) and 20 (PS4) for 2014. The PS4 Destiny bundled ranked at 37...

Edit: Some sales reference per Wiki...

On September 10, 2014, Activision claimed that Destiny was the most successful new gaming franchise launch, as the game shipped more than US$500 million to retail stores and first-parties worldwide.[100] As of September 17, 2014, there have been over 11 million gameplay sessions within North America.[101] It was also the biggest software launch for the PlayStation 4 since holiday 2013.[102] On November 4, 2014, Activision Publishing CEO Eric Hirshberg revealed that the game has 9.5 million registered players.[103] On December 23, 2014, Bungie revealed that 13 million people have played the game since its launch.[104] As of January 5, 2015, the game has 16 million registered players.[105]

Destiny sold 91,277 physical retail copies for PlayStation 4 and 49,503 retail copies for PlayStation 3 within the first week of release in Japan, placing second and third place respectively within the Japanese software sales charts for that particular week.[106] Destiny was the third best-selling retail game in the United States in 2014.[107] On May 6, 2015, Activision Blizzard announced that Destiny, along with another title from its subsidiary Blizzard Entertainment, Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft have generated nearly one-billion dollars for the company.[108]

 

[DrJay24]

PS4 had a console bundle.

 

[mrcorbo]

American gamers are very Mountain Dew, Dorrito,

Can you explain what being Mountain Dew or Dorito-minded means?

Call of Duty, Madden minded gamers. These things were and are still synonymous with the Xbox name. Playstation has been associated with Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid, not so dude-bro.

I agree that Call of Duty has been, and the exclusivity and co-marketing have certainly helped with that, but Madden always sold disproportionately well on PS3 relative to it's install base. That one isn't especially linked to XBox. There were/are a lot of people who played Madden on PS2 who then continued to play it on PS3.

A quick search turns up these lists of the 25 top selling titles on PS3 and 360 based on estimated sales totals

PS3

360

There's more FPS's on the 360 list, sure, but we're not exactly talking a night & day difference between the tastes of PS3 vs 360 owners here.

 

[Rikimaru]

There's more FPS's on the 360 list, sure, but we're not exactly talking a night & day difference between the tastes of PS3 vs 360 owners here.

Lists do not tell anything. Best metric is how did it sell relative to install base.
In case when difference between consoles is not big you can use percentage relative to all platforms as well.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

C) XB1 users are still very much rooted (from XB360) as primarily being diehard 1st person gamers... while, everything else is secondary (see below).

Just out of curiousity redoing your list in genre terms.

Amazon’s Top 100 Best Sellers of 2015 (06/13/15)
12. 3rd person action PS4
16. Shooter PS4
21. Shooter PS4
23. Fighting game PS4
29. Shooter XB1
32. Shooter XB1
33. Shooter PS4
36. Shooter XB1
37. Sports PS4
39. RPG PS4
45. Sports XB1
47. 3rd person action PS4
48. 3rd person action PS4
49. Shooter XB1
51. Shooter/3rd person action PS4
53. Shooter PS4
55. Shooter XB1
66. Shooter PS4
70. Shooter PS4
80. Sports PS4
82. 3rd person action PS4
83. 3rd person action RPG PS4
88. Shooter/3rd person action XB1
93. 3rd person action XB1
96. Same game as #12 PS4
98. Shooter XB1

Shooter being anything with a large focus on shooting things from first or 3rd person. 3rd person action being anything action oriented that doesn't focus mostly on shooting things.

Shooters - PS4 (6.5), XBO (6.5) Tied.
3rd person action - PS4 (5.5 - one of which was platform exclusive), XBO (1.5) Winner PS4.
Fighting games - PS4 (1) winner.
Sports - PS4 (2), XBO (1) winner PS4.
RPG - PS4 (2), XBO (1) winner PS4.

It's obvious Shooters are equally popular on both platforms with no platform associativity from this first glance. Meaning Shooters are identified with PS4 just as well as they are with XBO.

Looking at the other genre's it's hard to tell, if the list were longer you'd have the same ratio's minus the platform exclusives. Looking at ratio of titles per console, PS4 has 16 versus the XBO's 9. Take out the equally popular Shooter genre and it's PS4 with 9 versus the XBO with 2. If you don't categorize Dying light as mostly shooter than it's PS4 with 10 versus XBO with 3. BTW - I'm not going to count bloodborne twice. Not a lot of room to see how other genre's would fare on that platform.

Since XBO only has 9 titles in that list. How about we limit it to the top 9 titles on each platform? It's limited but makes it more comparable. As well since we have no idea if Bloodborne would have replaced one of those 9 XBO titles (I personally think it likely would have as everyone I know with an XBO only would have bought it if they could), we'll leave that out of the comparison as well.

Shooters - PS4 (3.5), XBO (6.5) - when you narrow the qualifications enough there is certainly a preference there.
3rd person action - PS4 (2.5), XBO (1.5) Not much difference in that genre.
Fighting games - PS4 (1), XBO (0) - PS4 - note below...
Sports - PS4 (1), XBO (1) virtually no difference.
RPG - PS4 (1), XBO (0) definitely a preference on PS4, at least in this limited sample.

The fighting one is a bit complicated, no? As the best or at least one of the best Fighting games available on XBO that gets a lot of play is also F2P and only available digitally. If were available for sale it probably wouldn't change much as the title has been out a while although it gets constant updates in content. However, it's existence may or may not have take away enough sales from MK:X to make it not not do as well. It'd debatable either.

Anyway, that was an interesting exercise, at least for me. Other people probably found it less interesting. What would have been more interesting would be to compare the top 20 titles on each platform. Even more to compare the top 20 multi-platform titles on each platform. Even then we'd see interesting interactions. As titles like FIFA and Final Fantasy almost always do better on the PS brand. While COD does generally better on XBO, although when compared to their install base, is roughly equal in popularity on both platforms. The same goes for Battlefield and most other multi-platform shooters.

Anyway, while interesting. Genre's (rather than specific titles) being associated with one platform or the other appear to become less and less relevant as time goes on.

Regards,
SB

 

[goonergaz]

You can make those stats look however you want, the top selling game on PS4 was 3rd Person and on XBO a shooter.

Another way would be to say the top 3 were all Shooters on XBO, it's not until the 4th best seller do we get a different genre. Conversely on PS4 the top 4 consists of 3 different genres, you don't get a 3rd different genre on XBO until you get to their 7th best selling title so 5 shooters, 1 sports and 1 3rd person/shooter, on PS4 at the 7th top selling title is the 5th different genres with only 3 shooters, 1 each of 3rd person, fighting, sports and RPG.

 

[mrcorbo]

Lists do not tell anything. Best metric is how did it sell relative to install base.
In case when difference between consoles is not big you can use percentage relative to all platforms as well.

It's two lists showing the 25 all time best selling games on each platform. Seeing as each of these lists were comparing sales of games on each platform to sales of other games on the same platform, I fail to see how these lists aren't representative of the preferences of each user base. Even if you were to argue that some of these specific games were released to a larger install base so had a potential sales advantage over games released earlier, if users preferred games in other genres then they could have bought games in those other genres instead. They clearly didn't.

 

[Newguy]

http://www.game.co.uk/en/xbox-one-c...mmc=update-_-wk461415-_-topPicks-_-XboxOne1TB

Xbox One Console 1TB With Forza 5, Ori & The Blind Forest & Batman Arkham Knight Xbox

£350 pre-order at GAME if anyone's interested (release 23/06). Just checking vs Amazon it looks like quite a competitive deal. No direct comparisons but it's an attractive bundle.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

You can make those stats look however you want, the top selling game on PS4 was 3rd Person and on XBO a shooter.

Another way would be to say the top 3 were all Shooters on XBO, it's not until the 4th best seller do we get a different genre. Conversely on PS4 the top 4 consists of 3 different genres, you don't get a 3rd different genre on XBO until you get to their 7th best selling title so 5 shooters, 1 sports and 1 3rd person/shooter, on PS4 at the 7th top selling title is the 5th different genres with only 3 shooters, 1 each of 3rd person, fighting, sports and RPG.

Funny. Let's take a look at a more meaningful comparison. No cherry picking of timeframs, or anything. Top 20 on each platform (worldwide) for every title released so far.

     XBO                        PS4
01 - Call of Duty: AW           Grand Theft Auto V
02 - Assassin's Creed: Unity    Call of Duty: AW
03 - Grand Theft Auto V         FIFA 15
04 - Destiny                    Destiny
05 - Titanfall                  Watch Dogs
06 - Call of Duty: Ghosts       Assassin's Creed: Unity
07 - Assassin's Creed IV: BF    Far Cry 4
08 - Halo: MCC                  Call of Duty: Ghosts
09 - Forza Motorsport 5         The Last of Us
10 - FIFA 15                    FIFA 14
11 - Battlefield 4              Battlefield 4
12 - Dead Rising 3              Assassin's Creed IV: BF
13 - Watch Dogs                 inFAMOUS: Second Son
14 - Madden NFL 15              Killzone: Shadow Fall
15 - NBA 2K15                   Middle-Earth: SoM
16 - Ryse                       MineCraft
17 - Far Cry 4                  NBA 2K15
18 - FIFA Soccer 14             Madden NFL 15
19 - Middle-Earth: SoM          DriveClub
20 - MineCraft                  Dragon Age: Inquisition

Pure Shooters. 6 for XBO and 5 for PS4. The exact same multiplatform shooters in similar places. The only difference is the XBO had 2 exclusive shooters while the PS4 had 1. And if Titanfall had been multiplatform like Titanfall 2 will be, then it would be dead even.

The only thing you can say is that COD is very very slightly more preferred on XBO than PS4. COD AW 1 versus 2. COD: Ghosts 6 versus 8. Which actually shows that the gap even for COD is closing as the newer version is closer between the consoles than the older version.

Otherwise Destiny and Battlefield 4 are exactly the same on both platforms. And if Titanfall were multiplatform I'm betting it would have slotted in at 5 just like the XBO version.

And if we go by incomplete comparisons like you did with your chart above, we can safely say that gamers prefer to play racing games on XBO. But that would be a flawed and incomplete assessment. Project Cars will be an interesting comparison once it's had enough sales to see where it'll slot in on both platforms.

Regards,
SB

 

[DrJay24]

We know the splits for shooters bias towars XB1 and RPGs are higher on the PS4, these are known numbers. Go back and compare FF, COD, Evolve, Witcher, etc. You don't need to read tea leaves with Amazon, just go look at the UK numbers (they report % split), which is in line with NA.

 

[goonergaz]

Funny. Let's take a look at a more meaningful comparison. No cherry picking of timeframs, or anything. Top 20 on each platform (worldwide) for every title released so far.

     XBO                        PS4
01 - Call of Duty: AW           Grand Theft Auto V
02 - Assassin's Creed: Unity    Call of Duty: AW
03 - Grand Theft Auto V         FIFA 15
04 - Destiny                    Destiny
05 - Titanfall                  Watch Dogs
06 - Call of Duty: Ghosts       Assassin's Creed: Unity
07 - Assassin's Creed IV: BF    Far Cry 4
08 - Halo: MCC                  Call of Duty: Ghosts
09 - Forza Motorsport 5         The Last of Us
10 - FIFA 15                    FIFA 14
11 - Battlefield 4              Battlefield 4
12 - Dead Rising 3              Assassin's Creed IV: BF
13 - Watch Dogs                 inFAMOUS: Second Son
14 - Madden NFL 15              Killzone: Shadow Fall
15 - NBA 2K15                   Middle-Earth: SoM
16 - Ryse                       MineCraft
17 - Far Cry 4                  NBA 2K15
18 - FIFA Soccer 14             Madden NFL 15
19 - Middle-Earth: SoM          DriveClub
20 - MineCraft                  Dragon Age: Inquisition

Pure Shooters. 6 for XBO and 5 for PS4. The exact same multiplatform shooters in similar places. The only difference is the XBO had 2 exclusive shooters while the PS4 had 1. And if Titanfall had been multiplatform like Titanfall 2 will be, then it would be dead even.

The only thing you can say is that COD is very very slightly more preferred on XBO than PS4. COD AW 1 versus 2. COD: Ghosts 6 versus 8. Which actually shows that the gap even for COD is closing as the newer version is closer between the consoles than the older version.

Otherwise Destiny and Battlefield 4 are exactly the same on both platforms. And if Titanfall were multiplatform I'm betting it would have slotted in at 5 just like the XBO version.

And if we go by incomplete comparisons like you did with your chart above, we can safely say that gamers prefer to play racing games on XBO. But that would be a flawed and incomplete assessment. Project Cars will be an interesting comparison once it's had enough sales to see where it'll slot in on both platforms.

Regards,
SB

Because there's nothing incomplete about your figures, nothing mentioned about bundles/promotions or anything like that.

Like I said, you can make stats say whatever you want, you can't use your data to prove a point but then say the data doesn't work for racers - now THAT is cherry picking!

 

[temesgen]

I think most people following the digital entertainment space would concede that the MS core audience favors shooters while Sony has an audience that leans more towards RPGs.

That said Xbox has had some extremely important titles in the genre exclusive to their platform. HALO and Gears plus the superior online experience would give MS an advantage with consumers that favor online mp shooters.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

We know the splits for shooters bias towars XB1 and RPGs are higher on the PS4, these are known numbers. Go back and compare FF, COD, Evolve, Witcher, etc. You don't need to read tea leaves with Amazon, just go look at the UK numbers (they report % split), which is in line with NA.

Those aren't Amazon rankings. Those are worldwide sales rankings. No bias, no cherry picking.

Facts contradict internet meme's about what should be preferred on each. What you say may have been the case in the PS2/Xbox era. And to a lesser extent in the PS3/X360 era. But in the PS4/XBO era, the preferences on each console are extremely similar. And why should that be a surprise? Gamers are gamers. And if Sony are to be believed, many PS4 owners are former Xbox owners. Just like in the PS3/X360 era many X360 owners were previous Playstation 2 owners.

Or are you going to claim that as soon as a Playstation 2 owner bought an X360 their taste in games suddenly changed? Or that when X360 owners bought a PS4, they suddenly changed their taste in games?

Regards,
SB

 

[DrJay24]

Or are you going to claim that as soon as a Playstation 2 owner bought an X360 their taste in games suddenly changed? Or that when X360 owners bought a PS4, they suddenly changed their taste in games?

Regards,
SB

The fact remains that there is a clear bias for certain genres.

Evolve, marketed by MS, 50/50 in the UK. Witcher 3, marketed by MS, 60/40 towards PS4.

Battlefield Hardline nearly 50/50 in UK and sold more release month on XB1 according to NPD.

Motal Kombat X; PS4 61% XB1 38%, another well known genre bias.

Dark Souls 2 debuted at #15 for PS4 and #22 on XB1 in UK, despite Bloodborne coming out two weeks earlier on the PS4.

Borderlands charted higher for XB1 in the UK.

Final Fantasy Type 0 PS4 (78%) vs XBO (22%) in UK.

 

[BRiT]

I dont know about genre bias on fighting games with MortalKombat X when you have a huge game in that genre that has 100% on xbox and 0% on PS4. ... Killer Instinct.

 

[DrJay24]

And the PS4 has Injustice which was a PS+ game.

 

[eastmen]

And the PS4 has Injustice which was a PS+ game.

that was on the xbox 360 and ps3 and pc. Killer instinct was only xbox one and was just announced for windows 10.. 2 years later

 

[Rurouni]

With the announcement of FF7 remake, it probably will give a boost to PS4 hardware sales in Japan... Or will it?
Anyway, it would be interesting to see the hardware sales after E3, and especially the number from Japan.

 

[goonergaz]

That and Shenmue should definitely help sales in Japan.

 

[djskribbles]

that was on the xbox 360 and ps3 and pc. Killer instinct was only xbox one and was just announced for windows 10.. 2 years later

And ps4 also has Guilty Gear XRD. Yes it's also on ps3 but that's two fighting games vs one that were rated considerably higher than Killer Instinct.