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China heavily censors all forms of media; TV, movies, books and games. I wonder what the game selection is like for nextgen consoles in China. Knowing that could explain a lot.
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China heavily censors all forms of media; TV, movies, books and games. I wonder what the game selection is like for nextgen consoles in China. Knowing that could explain a lot.
Chinese player mieumieu has posted this on GAF:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=162442303&postcount=221
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=162442303&postcount=221
Why not just offer an upgrade path then for any 360 owner? Which I thought MS had offered with a trade in deal?
Microsoft doesn't have an official upgrade program. Now there have been a few temporary trade-in deals from separate retailers like Microsoft Store, Best Buy & GameStop. Microsoft might be better off just offering a free Xbox One with 2-year Xbox Live Gold sign-up. Especially if they never offer a way to play your 360 collection via streaming.
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So ms still at the 180s
With regards to China, you can't seperate Company policy from government mandates. We'll likely never know the full extent of the situation. But the entire thing with the China Free Trade Zone started with extreme and very stifling government regulations (many products/companies were required to spend lots of money "bypassing" [bribing] officials to help them get around those, not always successful) on what a company was allowed to do and what it could offer. Over time some of those restrictions have been lifted.
It's quite likely that at launch Microsoft suffered far more government oversight and far more government restrictions than exists today. Hence the relaxing of some of the policies that were in place. As these restrictions and these types of restrictions only exist in China, there's very little doubt this was probably the case. If it was company policy, you'd see much of it across the board in other countries as well.
A situation where launching early was likely far worse than launching late.
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When you look at the rumored numbers, that's not too bad for XB1 in China if you ignore the 7 months difference of availability.
I mean, ignoring the different launch dates of both machines, PS4 beats XB1 by a nose only.
The nose is elongating in Germany...
2013
PS4: 240,000
XBO: 100,000
2014
PS4: 1,142,000
XBO: 231,000
2015 [up to the end of the March]
PS4: 208,000
XBO: 47,000
Lifetime sales
PS4: 1,600,000
XBO: 378,000
2013
PS4: 240,000
XBO: 100,000
2014
PS4: 1,142,000
XBO: 231,000
2015 [up to the end of the March]
PS4: 208,000
XBO: 47,000
Lifetime sales
PS4: 1,600,000
XBO: 378,000
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In Germany, there is still the impression among many gamer I talk to that X1 is a console that spies on you.
Consider the actual NSA/BND scandal...it might not be even that far off
Consider the actual NSA/BND scandal...it might not be even that far off
In Germany, there is still the impression among many gamer I talk to that X1 is a console that spies on you.
Consider the actual NSA/BND scandal...it might not be even that far off
In France the PS4 is much more popular. Probably nearly 3 to 1... The Xbox One is a US and UK console. And they lost some ground there too. All the sales gain in continental Europe with 360 from OG Xbox will probably be lost. In Spain it was only a little more than 2 PS3 for 1 360. Now it is 7:1. Tiers 2 country number are like Spain from what we saw of software nordic games sales...
Germany LtD hardware sales (in million) from November 2013:
Wii: 4.6M (42%)
PS3: 3.9M (36%)
Xbox 360: 2.4M (22%)
Yet strangely the worldwide sales numbers appears to be 2:1, no?
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I guess this is because while some smaller markets may have ratios of 3:1 and 4:1 favouring PlayStation 4, larger markets are more 3:2 or 4:3.
No there is a little more than 8 millions PS4 sold through in US. Don't remember the exact number. PS4 sold much more in rest of the world. And the number of PS4 system sold through worldwide was 20,2 millions as 1rst of march 2015...
I think it is 50% US and 50% rest of the world for PS4, Xbox One and Wii U sales.
And we have no idea of Xbox One sold through...
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I think to have any hope of making large gains MS needs to revamp the X1 to a smaller form factor (which imo in turn will change the whole image) and drop to $299.
I think they will actually do that this fall in the States, with another temporary $50 off price cut (probably without the smaller box, it's probably too early, but then again maybe we see it at E3?). that's my guess anyway, or at least I think it's a 50-50 chance. This time though after the holidays they can actually return to $349 since it's a tenable price point, unlike $399.
I think their latest financial said cost of revenue decreased more than revenue decreased for Xbox...this basically tells me $349 didn't cripple them in fact I'm thinking they may have room to drop again by the fall.
I think they will actually do that this fall in the States, with another temporary $50 off price cut (probably without the smaller box, it's probably too early, but then again maybe we see it at E3?). that's my guess anyway, or at least I think it's a 50-50 chance. This time though after the holidays they can actually return to $349 since it's a tenable price point, unlike $399.
I think their latest financial said cost of revenue decreased more than revenue decreased for Xbox...this basically tells me $349 didn't cripple them in fact I'm thinking they may have room to drop again by the fall.
Their problems will not be solved with $299€ price point or smaller box. If they lower the price, PS4 will go to $349 and will still be viewed as more desirable console [as it already is today even though it is more expensive]. Xbone is often 100€ cheaper than PS4 in continental Europe, and customers don't care.
Looking at this stage, the only places where MS has a chance of reaching PS4 is US and UK. They can brute force their presence there because of past successes and willingness to throw a lot of money on those markets. The rest of the world is lost, not in the sense that they will be driven out of business, but just their sales will never come close to PS4.
As for future "wildcards"... MS has Win10 integration [apps+streaming to the desktop], and Sony has Morpheus. I somehow think that VR has better chance of finding mass market appeal, especially since Sony is successfully promoting PS4 as a gaming-first console.
Looking at this stage, the only places where MS has a chance of reaching PS4 is US and UK. They can brute force their presence there because of past successes and willingness to throw a lot of money on those markets. The rest of the world is lost, not in the sense that they will be driven out of business, but just their sales will never come close to PS4.
As for future "wildcards"... MS has Win10 integration [apps+streaming to the desktop], and Sony has Morpheus. I somehow think that VR has better chance of finding mass market appeal, especially since Sony is successfully promoting PS4 as a gaming-first console.
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You just said "reaching" PS4, as in matching it in sales.
I just think its ridiculous we're talking about this. A few years ago MS was beating Sony every month by more than double margins in the US, and now we're speculating if MS can even equal Sony's sales at any point in its home territory.
Absolutely insane.
I just think its ridiculous we're talking about this. A few years ago MS was beating Sony every month by more than double margins in the US, and now we're speculating if MS can even equal Sony's sales at any point in its home territory.
Absolutely insane.
You can find Xbox One with a game and a 2nd controler at 279 euros in Germany and it is not working. Many Xbox One discount in Germany but the PS4 is far ahead...
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