All purpose sales and sales rumors/anecdotes thread next gen+

[Rangers]

VGchartz (Whoo hoo!!) is reporting that the One widely outsold every console during "Black Friday Week" (A day is apparently a week now), and many news sources are picking up their story running with it as if it were legit. It's apparently the second most console sales ever since the second (??) year of the Wii, that I think moved 30,000 or so more consoles.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsof...0k-xbox-one-consoles-during-black-friday-week

Also, I've seen many comments in this thread that the One isn't selling as well as the 360. Do you mean comparatively to the Sony offering? Because I thought that everything I've read has said that the One is selling more units than the 360 did, it's only problem is that it is selling far less than the PS4?

Yeah, judging by Amazon there's been quite a change in XBO's fortunes. Even without all the discounts (past $349) it seems possible they captured the zeitgeist of being the "hot" holiday item. I'm not sure how PS4 could get it's mojo back, the only surefire way would seem a price drop to 349.

I should be careful, the PS4 GTAV bundle sold out before long on Amazon, nerfing it's progress there. Presumably it didn't sell out as fast in the wider world, leading Amazon to possibly be a false picture.

Yeah, XOne is still ahead of 360 in NPD sales and worldwide shipments. Throughout most of past year 360 was outselling it gen over gen, but X1 had such a big lead in Nov/Dec 13 to overcome that. As of the last few weeks it's unknown, X1 sales seem to have taken off to some degree, albeit thanks to heavy discounting and bundling.

An interesting idea is if X1 can make any significant inroads on PS4's NPD lead to date in November and presumably December. IIRC PS4 was up by ~1million. I'd have said no, but with X1 sales appearing to be better than expected, if it could whittle 300k plus off the PS4's lead each of the holiday months (total 600k), that would be significant.

 

[wco81]

Thing is, US is the biggest market and the US economy is doing better than Europe and Japan.

 

[bbot]

Xbox One was #1 since Monday, but now it's beginning to drop. It's at #3 now.

 

[zed]

Thing is, US is the biggest market and the US economy is doing better than Europe and Japan.

huh latest figures suggest its the smallest market, IIRC it goes gaming spending 2013
Asia
PAL
NA (USA/canada & perhaps mexico)

but if you mean single country then yes USA is #1, so what do you mean biggest market?

 

[Rangers]

Asia isn't the biggest console market..not even close. Which we are in the console forum..

"North America" is generally about equivalent to "EU" for market size imo. There may be some variation in there, but it'll hold in general terms.

 

[wco81]

I meant biggest national market, not continental or regional.

Not saying US volume will be greater than EU but most of the EU countries have poor economies at the moment.

 

[temesgen]

Asia isn't the biggest console market..not even close. Which we are in the console forum..

"North America" is generally about equivalent to "EU" for market size imo. There may be some variation in there, but it'll hold in general terms.

And yet a few pages back Asia (specifically China) was being cited as the potential source of XB1 better fortune....

At the end of the day it is highly likely XB1 wins Nov and Dec in north American. That said I don't think the margin will be as wide as some think and when you add in Asia and Europe I'm confident PS4 will not sacrifice any sort of ltd lead.

 

[AzBat]

Your reality of the situation is far off… sales improve around the holiday season - not nose plunge off into the abyss. Even If MS managed to sale (through) 1.3 million units in the U.S. during November… it still wouldn’t eclipse PS4 worldwide sales during that month. As I stated before, Sony is averaging a million units monthly in worldwide sales… so it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that November would be even “greater” for PS4 moment, as with XB1.

You keep talking month. I'm talking Black Friday. Which is just one day. Reading is fundamental.

Tommy McClain

 

[Shortbread]

Even considering Black Friday is predominately an American event? I can't see as big of increase in sales on Black Friday outside the U.S. Though I watched a story on the news last weekend about Walmart promoting Black Friday sales in Great Britain, but the way they talked it seemed like a more recent thing & it still wasn't very popular. Even if Xbox is not very popular outside the U.S. I personally can't see enough PS4 worldwide sales being enough to eclipse the totality of XB1's U.S. Black Friday sales.

Tommy McClain

You said this....

You changed your post & what you originally said...

I was talking specifically Black Friday since that it was you originally posted. Naturally you moved the goal posts to say PS4 will outsell XB1 for the whole month of November worldwide. I don't necessarily dispute that. But Black Friday is one day out of a whole month & it's predominately an American sale day. Everybody is saying XB1 most likely outsold PS4 in the U on that one day & I totally agree. I also don't think there will be enough PS4 Black Friday sales outside the US where it will the eclipse the XB1 sales in the US. You may still disagree, but the bad thing we will probably never get any world wide Black Friday sales figures to confirm either way. So all of this is probably moot anyway.

Tommy McClain

And you said this...

You keep talking month. I'm talking Black Friday. Which is just one day. Reading is fundamental.
Tommy McClain

Thus, you're just plain wrong in your assessment…

No need for insults too. Let's be adults...

 

[AzBat]

I never talked monthly sales since djskribbles originally posted about BF(Black Friday). Both bolded quotes are only talking about Black Friday, not the month. Also read my 2nd quote to djskribbles where I state this...

I was talking specifically Black Friday since that it was you originally posted. Naturally you moved the goal posts to say PS4 will outsell XB1 for the whole month of November worldwide. I don't necessarily dispute that.

The bolded part states I don't dispute that the PS4 will outsell the XB1 worldwide for the whole month. That was the only time I talked about the whole month.

Wished people would actually read what I wrote & not make up stuff that I didn't say.

BTW, you can't say my opinion is wrong until we get facts anyway. Only thing wrong here is you thought I was talking about the month.

Tommy McClain

 

[dobwal]

Seems like Shadow of Mordor is going to get the AAA treatment for its next title. The game is killing it on the amazon charts.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

huh latest figures suggest its the smallest market, IIRC it goes gaming spending 2013
Asia
PAL
NA (USA/canada & perhaps mexico)

but if you mean single country then yes USA is #1, so what do you mean biggest market?

Asia isn't even close to being on the level of NA and Europe. Asia + SEA (South East Asia economic region which includes Australia and New Zealand) is less than 1/3 of the European and NA markets for console sales, each. Or less than 1/6th of the combined European and NA markets. It was roughly on par with Japan last generation for PS3, but far larger than Japan for X360. This generation both PS4 and XBO sales in Asia + SEA is significantly larger than console sales in Japan. Japan is considered it's own region with regards to console sales.

What you are probably referring to is that Asia is "potentially" the largest console market.

For last generation and this generation.

NA > Europe > rest of world (SA, Africa, SEA, Asia) > Japan for combined X360, PS3, and Wii sales.

If you go platform specific for last generation.

PS3 = Europe > NA > rest of world > Japan
X360 = NA > Europe > rest of world > Japan
Wii = NA > Europe > Japan > rest of world.

Wii was almost able to make Japan > rest of world, but wasn't able to make up for the almost non-existant sales from X360 there. As well even if you include Japan with the rest of the world, it still comes out behind both NA and Europe.

And yet a few pages back Asia (specifically China) was being cited as the potential source of XB1 better fortune....

At the end of the day it is highly likely XB1 wins Nov and Dec in north American. That said I don't think the margin will be as wide as some think and when you add in Asia and Europe I'm confident PS4 will not sacrifice any sort of ltd lead.

The key word there is "potential." China and India have the potential to greatly shift the console landscape. The problem is that India is very much a price conscious (budget oriented) market. China as well for the most part. Except China also has a history of the vast majority (I'd like to say greater than 99%, but that might be a slight exaggeration it may only be 95%) of game players pirating their games and on the PC side the OS as well. It makes for an interesting challenge for the console makers.

IMO, whoever is first to have a healthy ecosystem of F2P games on their console is going to be the one that does best. As F2P is by far the most economically viable model for mainland China.

Regards,
SB

 

[wco81]

If they want consoles to be huge in China, they have to make it easier to pirate games.

 

[dobwal]

If they want consoles to be huge in China, they have to make it easier to pirate games.

They need to offer a kick ass f2p library. That's how the devs and pubs have dealt with piracy in China.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

This post is mostly because I have a little bit of time and I was wondering if PS4 gained any momentum on Amazon coming out of Black Friday.

So, first rankings (I believe this is the mid-week rankings, and not the end of week rankings for the month of December).

01 - XBO: AC bundle
51 - PS4: Destiny bundle

Well, that was easy.

A few things to note. All gift cards dropped out of the top 20. First one is a PSN gift card for 10 USD at 27. However, the top 2 games are currently PS4 versions of multi-plats.

The first 2 Xbox games in the top 100 are for X360. That console has some serious legs.

NBA2k15 - [10] X360, [14] XBO, [15] PS4, [44] PS3. Looking at that and the other X360 games in the top 20. It would appear that X360 gamers that predominantly play sports games may have stuck with the X360 rather than upgrading to a next gen console. At least for US Amazon buyers.

12 of the top 20 products for Video games thus far are for the Xbox Brand. I expect this to go down in the next update or two.

Too early in the month to say anything about the rankings. It's sort of just a quick look to see who might have carried some momentum coming out of Black Friday. The rankings will definitely change quite drastically before the end of the month. For example, I expect a PS4 console to be in the top 20, if not top 10 by the end of the month. I also expect gift cards to make it back into the top 20 by the end of the month.

Regards,
SB

 

[djskribbles]

You changed your post & what you originally said...



I was talking specifically Black Friday since that it was you originally posted. Naturally you moved the goal posts to say PS4 will outsell XB1 for the whole month of November worldwide. I don't necessarily dispute that. But Black Friday is one day out of a whole month & it's predominately an American sale day. Everybody is saying XB1 most likely outsold PS4 in the U on that one day & I totally agree. I also don't think there will be enough PS4 Black Friday sales outside the US where it will the eclipse the XB1 sales in the US. You may still disagree, but the bad thing we will probably never get any world wide Black Friday sales figures to confirm either way. So all of this is probably moot anyway.

Tommy McClain

Umm, I didn't move any goal posts. I think the PS4 outsold the XB1 worldwide on Black Friday, and for the month of November. When did I say anything different?

 

[temesgen]

Umm, I didn't change or move any goal posts. I think the PS4 outsold the XB1 worldwide on Black Friday, and for the month of November. When did I say anything different?

I belive AZBat's argument is that Thanksgiving and BF are predominately a North American holiday and if MS dominated in the US its reasonable to conclude they did better overall bc the other markets would have a negligible impact on world wide sales that day.

 

[Shortbread]

I never talked monthly sales since djskribbles originally posted about BF(Black Friday). Both bolded quotes are only talking about Black Friday, not the month. Also read my 2nd quote to djskribbles where I state this...



The bolded part states I don't dispute that the PS4 will outsell the XB1 worldwide for the whole month. That was the only time I talked about the whole month.

Wished people would actually read what I wrote & not make up stuff that I didn't say.

BTW, you can't say my opinion is wrong until we get facts anyway. Only thing wrong here is you thought I was talking about the month.

Tommy McClain

So, you’re under the impression that XB1 USA Black Friday sales outsold PS4 worldwide Black Friday sales for that one day? There are lots of problematic issues with that assumption...

Any recent data links or archival data links, which shows worldwide sales (console wise), are comparatively lower to the U.S. Black Friday sales – during that day?

Or is this based on a gut feeling that amounts to nothing other than a fact-less opinion?

 

[djskribbles]

I belive AZBat's argument is that Thanksgiving and BF are predominately a North American holiday and if MS dominated in the US its reasonable to conclude they did better overall bc the other markets would have a negligible impact on world wide sales that day.

Oh I got that.

HE responded to MY post when I said that I think the PS4 outsold the XB1 worldwide despite being outsold in the US. He then asked me if I still feel that way even though BF is predominately a US shopping day, and I said yes... they have BF sales everywhere. While not as good as US BF sales, Sony sells a lot more consoles outside of the US than MS. I feel that what Sony sells outside of the US will more than make up for the deficit in the US. He then says that I'm changing my post and I'm moving the goal posts somehow.

I'm guessing he thought that I was moving the posts because he thought I changed it from the PS4 outselling the XB1 worldwide on BF to the PS4 outselling the XB1 worldwide for the month of November. But no, I still meant BF. And I also feel the PS4 outsold the XB1 worldwide for the month of November as well FWIW.

 

[AzBat]

Umm, I didn't move any goal posts. I think the PS4 outsold the XB1 worldwide on Black Friday, and for the month of November. When did I say anything different?

You changed your post after I quoted it. It was "I have zero doubt Sony comfortably outsold MS worldwide during BF." to "I have zero doubt Sony comfortably outsold MS worldwide in the month of November." The post I was responding to no longer mentions Black Friday. Hence moving the goal posts comment.

Tommy McClain