Maybe Sony is buying up all the units from Amazon?
Or MS Christmas gifts for friends and family.
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Or MS Christmas gifts for friends and family.
Black Friday only... so little Johhny(s) can't wait. Just a wild guess...
I'm stooping this low, but here's the gaffer who won their NPD prediction contest this month's, prediction
[360] 63k
[3DS] 150k
[PS3] 35k
[PS4] 299k
[WIU] 75k
[XB1] 179k
What that means is I guess he was closest to the real results (known behind the scenes by certain gaffers but not divulged). So basically, it might not be horrendously far off the real numbers.
Also fits in with the hints/outlines already given for PS4/X1 (PS4 down ~50% month over month, X1 down maybe ~40%, which would have had PS4 at 270k and X1 at 170k IIRC)
[360] 63k
[3DS] 150k
[PS3] 35k
[PS4] 299k
[WIU] 75k
[XB1] 179k
What that means is I guess he was closest to the real results (known behind the scenes by certain gaffers but not divulged). So basically, it might not be horrendously far off the real numbers.
Also fits in with the hints/outlines already given for PS4/X1 (PS4 down ~50% month over month, X1 down maybe ~40%, which would have had PS4 at 270k and X1 at 170k IIRC)
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Wait, so we're not getting actual NPD monthly numbers from GAF anymore?
S4 taking November would be huge and basically mean it is the console of choice this generation. But I think MS has it in the bag. With a lower p;rice and all the $330 deals on Black Friday I don't see how XB1 couldn't sell more than PS4 overall. Sony could still take December if they continue along their current p;ath, but they will need some type of bundle if the BF bundles don't run for the entirety of the holiday season. But yeah if Sony takes November then it basically means PS4 is the dominant console this gen, even in the US.djskribbles
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MS is obviously trying VERY hard to win the holiday months. I think they will be very shocked if they don't win.
If MS doesn't win November it will be quite demoralizing to them I think.
Even so the results aren't likely to matter a lot or cut into PS4's million plus lead much. My guess is maybe a 100k or 200k when PS4 is already up by 1 million+ right? Essentially imo Nov and Dec will be "ties", regardless of the horse race results. One will probably sell 1.1-1.2m and the other ~1m both months, or something like that, imo.
The green standard X1 with no games and currently available only from resellers starting at $391 shot to #15 on Amazon (AC bundle X1 is #13) so I'm guessing something similar to the PS4 scam now happened with it.
I'm sure I read it was 288k v 177k but I may be mistaken.
Something is definitely wrong here:
GTA effect
If XB1 outsells PS4 in both November and December by a couple hundred thousand units and MS decided to permanently cut the price of its system it could lead to XB1 continuing to outsell PS4 in following months. Or it could go back to business as usual with PS4 outselling the competition even if XB1 gets a permanent price cut. But actually outselling the competition during the two primary holiday shopping season would be huge for MS and allow them to puff up their chests and be proud of themselves. Winning November itself will be a huge morale booster. They've probably sold a shit ton so far this month and with a late Black Friday, despite however many PS4's Sony are able to sell that day, could enough to secure a November win.
Then again with Black Friday being so late this year it could be a return to BAU with PS4 selling better since then on. Time will tell. It's hard to tell with the PS4 even with the price now being higher than the XB1 what the demand for it truly is. The PS4 could end up taking December if demand is high enough and there's enough units. It'll be an interesting two month's sales wise. And of course this is all centric from a US perspective.
Then again with Black Friday being so late this year it could be a return to BAU with PS4 selling better since then on. Time will tell. It's hard to tell with the PS4 even with the price now being higher than the XB1 what the demand for it truly is. The PS4 could end up taking December if demand is high enough and there's enough units. It'll be an interesting two month's sales wise. And of course this is all centric from a US perspective.
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And here's the shoe falling on just WTF happened with the PS4 Amazon listing: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102197050
Apparently they do, as Wii U hardware sales are only in the top 100 due to resellers. Amazon does not directly sell the Wii U.
I'm willing to believe PS4 sales picked up as well, but it's pretty clear even from how PS4 ranking has fallen since then that the scam was related. Now at what point the scam related bump completely is over and PS4 is back where it "should" be will be hard to pinpoint exactly. I'm pretty sure it was close or overtaking X1 in the 11-13 range before the scam (unless perhaps the scam was already getting some traffic back then).
Currently, it's PS4 #5 and X1 #9.
Evidently Aqua finally leaked some numbers in email tags on GAF, then edited them out shortly after, but they were already picked up on Chartzzzz forums (although sadly I suspect even these are off by a couple k to keep anonymity). Those numbers are,
PS4 297k, XBO: 168k, Wii U: 69k
Better for PS4 and worse for X1 than my initial estimates.
Edit: That's even assuming Aqua didn't fake these numbers to see how her leaks would be treated. Hell if I know...the only thing that makes me suspicious is the initial GAF leakers/hinters implied PS4 was down ~50% month over month (specifically PS4 was said to be down "a handful more" than 45% that all hardware was down on average, and then when asked for clarification, said "how many fingers are on your hand", implying 5%, thus down 50%) and 297k is only down 45%. At least the X1 only being down ~40% jives as it's down 41% by these numbers.
PS4 297k, XBO: 168k, Wii U: 69k
Better for PS4 and worse for X1 than my initial estimates.
Edit: That's even assuming Aqua didn't fake these numbers to see how her leaks would be treated. Hell if I know...the only thing that makes me suspicious is the initial GAF leakers/hinters implied PS4 was down ~50% month over month (specifically PS4 was said to be down "a handful more" than 45% that all hardware was down on average, and then when asked for clarification, said "how many fingers are on your hand", implying 5%, thus down 50%) and 297k is only down 45%. At least the X1 only being down ~40% jives as it's down 41% by these numbers.
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But this doesn't affect Amazon rankings... marketplace sales don't. You have to be a Amazon verified vendor or distributor (which includes verifying stock and distribution methods). This scam was used exclusively on scamming brick and mortar stores by using a fake Amazon ad.
Anyhow, before this gets out of hand - GS/BB actually received a nice surge Monday and Tuesday surrounding GTA V for both systems, more so PS4.
Once again, they must be a verified vendor or distributor. Whenever you see this "Sold by Whomever and Fulfilled by Amazon... they are verified suppliers and vendors for Amazon. Miscellaneous mom & pop shops are not factored.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200885140
Interesting. Still, it seems very clear the recent bugaboo effected the PS4 ranking somehow. We see it's already fallen to #6. It seems very unlikely to be coincidence or "GTA effect" as that should boost X1 as well, at least a good deal, even if you believe it would boost PS4 more for whatever reason. And as another poster noted it's very rare for hardware to go ahead of the PSN cards either, which PS4 did. As my prior theory, I think perhaps simple web traffic, regardless of purchases, to any product's listings may affect it's amazon ranking.
Also as I noted, the green normal no-games X1 which at the time I clicked was only available via resellers starting at $391, a $41 markup, weirdly shot to #15 yesterday when I peeked in. And now has just as rapidly dropped off. There is almost no reason anybody would buy this SKU, and multiple big reasons why they wouldn't. I am sure it was related or a similar deal to what happened with PS4, probably with scammers trying the same scam on a different item before being thwarted by Amazon again.
Anyways it should be blowing over now.
Also as I noted, the green normal no-games X1 which at the time I clicked was only available via resellers starting at $391, a $41 markup, weirdly shot to #15 yesterday when I peeked in. And now has just as rapidly dropped off. There is almost no reason anybody would buy this SKU, and multiple big reasons why they wouldn't. I am sure it was related or a similar deal to what happened with PS4, probably with scammers trying the same scam on a different item before being thwarted by Amazon again.
Anyways it should be blowing over now.
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