All purpose Sales and Sales Rumors and Anecdotes [2017 Edition]

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The market research also indicates there is historically a floor of resilience with any physical media, and the most interesting part is the reasons stated by gamers for staying with physical, which are impossible to provide any other way (ignoring the idea of cracking consoles or having games distributed unencrypted).

Gamers have a collection which they bought precisely because they want to keep those games forever. Spending ratios don't represent this reality at all. I buy physical whenever the game is very important to me, but on paper my spending is probably 50/50 digital/physical because I buy many indies, non-AAA titles like remasters, DLCs, and I now have to pay for a PS Plus subscription which I didn't before. A lot of my spending have become impulsive and opportunistic where there are sales. So while I might buy fewer discs, and more digital stuff, that doesn't make physical games any less critical to my platform of choice. The above UK poll is about gamers "preference", it doesn't really contradict the NPD data which is about spending amount.

Games which are competitive FPS, or yearly sports titles, have no reason to be owned on disc. They are ephemeral consumption. Previously these titles would be all disc sales, now they should skew severely towards DD. Nobody wants to collect those.

Similar thing goes on for films, today those buying physical copies of films are mostly the important ones which they really care about. At the beginning of DVD people had crazy collections of 1000 discs, 900 of which they'd never watch again. I see games shifting the same way. But try to take away the most important game on physical media which might later look like only 10% or 20% of the market, and it will crash and burn.
 
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I've already noted that physical still maintains the majority of sales on console. I'm not sure where there is confusion on that.
I did see that part, like I said go to the top of the page, can you read that it saiz 'Console Industry' but you are including mobile and PC numbers here.

Physical sales revenue accounts for just 22.2% of all game revenue for Activision-Blizzard. While that is lower than the 26% that NPD reports for the US, it's closer than EA's 41.5%. Which means that the rest of the industry is likely closer to 26% making EA a rather large outlier.
No it doesnt mean EA is a rather large outlier in the console industry at all, this 26% number includes companies that just make mobile games, eg King (candy crush), supercell (clash royale) etc, Why are you bring mobile and PC numbers into a console thread?, Sure you can do that but be transparent about it, clearly label it as such, which you did not do. Say theres a NPD thread and someone makes a statement like COD sold 82% on the PS4, which would be shocking :eek:, and doesnt put the disclaimer that was spanish sales data :nope:.

Yes I agree digital is becoming more important each year in the console space, but its certainly no where near the level you are trying to imply, EA,activision, nintendos etc numbers prove its not
 
https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/16q4_sony.pdf

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/16q4_sonypre.pdf

Sony sold in 60 millions consoles (2,9 millions last quarter)

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EDIT:They forecast 18 millions PS4 sold in next fiscal years but sales increase of 14,6% probably no PS4 Slim/PS4 Pro price cut this year.

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The consoles will probably beat PS3 and 360 lifetime in 2018 between only four years and half and five years after launch
 
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From someone in GAF the forecasted sales are the best of all time for one console maker better than the best year of Nintendo sales with DS/Wii.

Sony may be projecting slightly fewer consoles sold, but its interesting to note they also project higher sales overall. In fact, their current forecast would give them the highest gaming related revenue of all time, beating Nintendo at the height of DS/Wii mania (FY09) by about 50B yen.

EDIT: For overall Sony

Sony expecting its second biggest profit ever next year. Crazy.

And it continues the trend of Sony reaching or beating PS4 sales forecast since the beginning of the generation...
 
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But interesting they are forecasting a slight FY year PS4 shipment drop next year from 20.0 million to 18.0. Probably no price drop I guess.
 
But interesting they are forecasting a slight FY year PS4 shipment drop next year from 20.0 million to 18.0. Probably no price drop I guess.

No price drop probably. But if they reach the forecast, they will continue to be ahead of PS2... I think the PS4 will reach the second place of home console behind PS2 at the end of it lifetime... More than 102 millions console sold...
 
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But interesting they are forecasting a slight FY year PS4 shipment drop next year from 20.0 million to 18.0. Probably no price drop I guess.
Could also just be Sony lowballing their estimations. If sales keep up, they could increase their forecasts. They did so for the previous fiscal year, I believe.

No price drop probably. But if they reach the forecast, they will continue to be ahead of PS2... I think they will reach the second place of home console behind PS2 at the end of PS4 lifetime... More than 102 millions console sold...
Unless sales slow down significantly over the next two years, I'm going to stick with my prediction of 120 million consoles sold by the time the PS4 is discontinued. It could continue doing well long after the PS5 releases if it hits that sweet $99 spot. Even $149, or $129 should guarantee some good legs

Edit: To clarify, I mean an unnaturally large drop in sales YoY. Sales falling off progressively towards the tail end of the generation is totally normal.
 
You mean third behind PS1? ;)

No I mean second only behind the PS2, more than 102,5 millions PS4 sold... It is a safe prediction... 18 millions next fiscal year, 15 millions years after with a price drop and 10 millions and here we are...
 
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The consoles will probably beat PS3 and 360 lifetime in 2018 between only four years and half and five years after launch

Nice graphs. And you may well (or may not) be right about outselling its predecessor in five years. Counting the PSPro, i think that's a reasonable ballpark.
However, what is most striking to me is how the market has changed from one generation to the next. The PS3 had the lowest sales numbers out of three stationary competitors (nevermind the DS and the PSP). The PS4 on the other hand by far dominated the WiiU and XBoxOne, selling at roughly twice the rate of those two combined!
So, good for the PS4, but the console industry overall has shrunk considerably. Less in value than in actual hardware units/consumers, which allows you to somewhat pick a viewpoint that fits your mood.
Pachter recently said that each console generation going forward will be half the size of the preceding. :D Making noise for publicity aside, there is one nugget of truth in there though, and that is how the current generation has sold.
Is this good or bad for the PS4/Sony specifically? Again, it depends on how you rotate the cup when you read the tea leaves.
 
Nice graphs. And you may well (or may not) be right about outselling its predecessor in five years. Counting the PSPro, i think that's a reasonable ballpark.
However, what is most striking to me is how the market has changed from one generation to the next. The PS3 had the lowest sales numbers out of three stationary competitors (nevermind the DS and the PSP). The PS4 on the other hand by far dominated the WiiU and XBoxOne, selling at roughly twice the rate of those two combined!
So, good for the PS4, but the console industry overall has shrunk considerably. Less in value than in actual hardware units/consumers, which allows you to somewhat pick a viewpoint that fits your mood.
Pachter recently said that each console generation going forward will be half the size of the preceding. :D Making noise for publicity aside, there is one nugget of truth in there though, and that is how the current generation has sold.
Is this good or bad for the PS4/Sony specifically? Again, it depends on how you rotate the cup when you read the tea leaves.


It will be interesting to compare the limited number of PS4/PS4 Pro and Xbox One/Scorpio against the number of 360 and PS3 and this time no RROD(360) and YLOD(PS3)... If the number is 150 to 170 millions it is okay, it will be comparable to old gen just much more PS console and much less Xbox console...

For the Wii and Kinect the casual are gone to mobile...

Edit: And the console handheld market is shrinking at a fast pace replaced by smartphone.
 
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So, good for the PS4, but the console industry overall has shrunk considerably.
How do you derive that from that graph? :?: At a cursory glance it looks as if PS4 has sold as well as PS360 combined, and the graph doesn't show XB1. There's something like 90 million XB1PS4s out there, more that the ~70 million from PS360 combined from that graph. Only if you factor in Wii does it make a difference, and we all know Wii was an anomaly.
 
Lets say Xbox 360=85 PS3=85, Wii=100, about 270m sold last gen. Of course Wii was not really a core console IMO.

Now the concept of gens is so fubared who knows. Scorpio, Pro, and Switch have all fubared things trying to compare gen over gen. Pro SO FAR doesn't seem to have altered the normal year 3 sales peak for consoles, if we go by Sony's own projections of a slight decline next year. However that could change, and Scorpio is positioned more as something different, closer to a new gen, IMO.

Well, Switch certainly seems to be selling very very well so far, so that could be good for the console market. I'd also call it a core console.

I think the new Nintendo 2 DS could do really well for them. I think the DS still has a perfect niche as a gift for kids, that you cant at least in theory give a smartphone. Heck Retro-ish gaming appeals to me these days and I even kind of want one. And 149 is a pretty disposable price point. I wish it wasn't such antiquated tech, though.

It's funny how Nintendo seems to have risen from the dead suddenly lately. It started with the Nes Mini's popularity. Then Switch is selling great so far. Now there's rumors of a super Nes Mini that will also likely sell as many as they can make. And I think the 2 DS is a good product, too.
 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainm...n-nintendo-is-surprised/ar-BBArp8m?li=AAfq3b1

So, it appears that Switch has done so well that it was a major factor in reversing Nintendo's fortunes for FY ending Mar. 31, 2017 that it's back to roughly where it was in FY ending Mar. 31, 2011. Not the high point for them during the Wii years, but a pretty good sign none the less. And that's with Switch only being on the market for a little less than a month. No idea how it's doing in EMEA.

Will it keep up? Hard to say, but almost 2 months after the console has gone on sale, it's still basically out of stock everywhere in the US and Japan (units sell as soon as they are restocked). Someday, someday I'm going to own of the darned things.

Also interesting that through Mar. 31, 2017 the Switch version of Zelda outsold the Nintendo Switch worldwide, 2.76 million units of Zelda versus 2.74 million units of the Switch. And this considering that in Japan, Zelda (Switch) never got close to the Switch hardware sales numbers. So the rest of the world has a lot of people that own the Switch version of Zelda, but don't own a Switch. Well, at least through Mar. 31st.

Regards,
SB
 
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I did see that part, like I said go to the top of the page, can you read that it saiz 'Console Industry' but you are including mobile and PC numbers here.

HINT - the article I linked was about how NPD was under-representing digital sales of games in the US, including digital console game sales. And guess what? This is the console forum. If the article didn't impact console sales numbers, I wouldn't have bothered to post it.

Also EA is most definitely an outlier. At least according to the financial reports of the 4 major game publishers.

Regards,
SB
 
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How do you derive that from that graph? :?: At a cursory glance it looks as if PS4 has sold as well as PS360 combined, and the graph doesn't show XB1. There's something like 90 million XB1PS4s out there, more that the ~70 million from PS360 combined from that graph. Only if you factor in Wii does it make a difference, and we all know Wii was an anomaly.
I don't. That was the point - PS4 sales look great, but the graphs do not show how the overall landscape has changed. Anomaly or not, the Wii was real and sold just under a billion (!) in software.
The total volume (wii+360+PS3) vs. (WiiU+One+PS4) has changed drastically. Portable (DS+PSP) vs. (3DS+Vita) is an even starker contrast.
I simply think this is an important part of the puzzle when evaluating the PS4 sales performance. The overall picture has changed a lot, and that in a single generation.

On another note, I look forward to forum shenanigans regarding Switch sales. :)
Depending on what's required to fit the narrative, I predict that sometimes it won't count at all cuz Nintendo, sometimes it will be counted as a home (or "core" console, already happened), and sometimes it will be a "portable" and thus not really competing against PS/MS. It will see very flexible use in forum wars as well. :)
 
Depending on what's required to fit the narrative, I predict that sometimes it won't count at all cuz Nintendo, sometimes it will be counted as a home (or "core" console, already happened), and sometimes it will be a "portable" and thus not really competing against PS/MS. It will see very flexible use in forum wars as well. :)
Those types of talks started immediately after the announcement of the Switch in January.
 
Anomaly or not, the Wii was real and sold just under a billion (!) in software. The total volume (wii+360+PS3) vs. (WiiU+One+PS4) has changed drastically. Portable (DS+PSP) vs. (3DS+Vita) is an even starker contrast.I simply think this is an important part of the puzzle when evaluating the PS4 sales performance. The overall picture has changed a lot, and that in a single generation
You shouldn't count Wii as part of the same gaming market as the conventional consoles. It reached a different audience who then didn't care to carry on with subsequent consoles*. Compare this gen to PS3+XB360, PS2+GC+XB+DC, PS1+Saturn+N64(+other little players).

* One could possible dedcut EyeToy and Kinect sales somewhat from previous console generations for other non-console fads that didn't grow the market.

On another note, I look forward to forum shenanigans regarding Switch sales. :)
Depending on what's required to fit the narrative, I predict that sometimes it won't count at all cuz Nintendo
You're being trollish here. In real terms I guess Switch can be counted somewhat twice, independently, so the total home console market will be PS+XB+Switch and the total handheld market will be Switch and nothing else because there are no other handhelds. However, utilisation figures may one day emerge that show if Switch is used connected to a TV much or not, which could be used to weight the total console sales.
 
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