Sony Playstation Meeting September 7 2016 [PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro, Rumors, Speculations, and News]

[iroboto]

If the Xbox scaling is so revelatory why are there no comparisons of native screengrabs scaling the same game and settings from a matched 4k native PC output?

There are already comparisons of the ps4pro from compressed YouTube clips. Hardly fair, and seemingly some of these posters are showing true colors of possibly being corporate shills :\

Scaling can't add detail where none exists. Comparing it to 4K native is a fools game.

He did not indicate that it added 4K detail through the upscaler.

This article was written before Pro reveal. Relax yourself.


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[Rikimaru]

My years of experience in the AV world have taught me that getting good quality source equipment to upscale resolution rather than leaving it to a screen often yields superior results. But even knowing this didn’t prepare me for just how much cleaner, sharper and less noisy games look on a 4K TV via the Xbox One S than they do via the original Xbox One.

He needs to describe methodology here. Maybe he connected S to other input which has different TV settings.
Remember how BF4 looked much better on xbo because it had crushed blacks and sharpen image? There were a lot of posts about that on internet.
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar...BF4_XO_045.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar...F4_PS4_045.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg

So much detail on the head.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Hardly fair, and seemingly some of these posters are showing true colors of possibly being corporate shills :\

I take offence to accusation and you should be a lot politer in your comments. Certainly in this case there are no corporate shills in operation - every fanboy on B3D is posting from the altruistic goodness of their own platform fanaticism...

 

[Aaron Elfassy]

I take offence to accusation and you should be a lot politer in your comments. Certainly in this case there are no corporate shills in operation - every fanboy on B3D is posting from the altruistic goodness of their own platform fanaticism...

My apologies for such an accusatory statement, but there is so much anecdotal information that should bear no mention in tech forums. It's unfortunate that great tech cannot properly introduced to the mass and hobbyists alike.

Real truths about image quality need to be parsed from many av review sites but often do not provide insight for gaming purposes. That's unfortunate because gaming is the Trojan horse for amazing imagery, now with the support of HDR and wider color gamuts. Unshackled from the low bitrate video feeds cable, Netflix, and YouTube provide.

 

[BRiT]

Speaking of low bitrate shackles from streaming services, it's a real surprise that Sony opted to keep those shackles by not including UHD 4K BluRay support.

 

[iroboto]

He needs to describe methodology here. Maybe he connected S to other input which has different TV settings.
Remember how BF4 looked much better on xbo because it had crushed blacks and sharpen image? There were a lot of posts about that on internet.
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar...BF4_XO_045.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar...F4_PS4_045.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg

So much detail on the head.

Right, A/V specialists have no clue how to test A/V equipment.

Alright. Yet another review from yet another A/V tester:
http://4k.com/gaming/review-microso...ole-4k-game-upscaling-hdr-uhd-video-playback/

Now, while the 4K UHD high dynamic range streaming capacities of the One S are impressive enough, what we really found interesting was the console’s abilities when it comes to handling gaming. First of all, the One S can upscale certain games from Full HD to 4K UHD resolution. This of course isn’t nearly the same as true rendering and play-capacity for games in native 4K resolution but it’s still something that creates a somewhat superior level of sharpness by which certain Full HD games are “stretched” across the screen of a 4K TV and render a sharper level of clarity without losing out too much on performance speed. This was impressive to behold and something we hadn’t actually expected form the new Microsoft console

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[Aaron Elfassy]

Scaling can't add detail where none exists. Comparing it to 4K native is a fools game.

He did not indicate that it added 4K detail through the upscaler.

This article was written before Pro reveal. Relax yourself.


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I'm alluding to a shootout like comparison to the native screengrabs, upscaled 4k screengrab and PC 4k native screengrab with matched console settings. There should be minimal if no perceived benefit in image quality. Just added lag and potentially black crush and altered gamma - which is exactly the opposite of the desired effect

 

[Rikimaru]

First of all, the One S can upscale certain games from Full HD to 4K UHD resolution.

Which certain games? What it does to other? Switches TV mode to 1080p? Does not do a good upascale?

 

[bunge]

Speaking of low bitrate shackles from streaming services, it's a real surprise that Sony opted to keep those shackles by not including UHD 4K BluRay support.

You keep tossing this grenade into the mix and it continues to be a dud.

Online video doesn't have to be limited to streaming.

 

[iroboto]

Which certain games? What it does to other? Switches TV mode to 1080p? Does not do a good upascale?

That's in reference to games that will receive HDR in the future but are still less than 4K.

FH3, GOW etc.
All games on XBO S are upscaled to 4K. According to all tweets by executives.

I can seriously do this all day long:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/xbox-one-s-vs-xbox-one

Henshaw said: "It's not native 4K, but the Xbox One S can upscale games from 1080p to 4K."

It means the Xbox One S will be able to offer a taste of gaming at a higher resolution than its predecessor, although it won't quite be as good as native 4K.

In our review, we found the Xbox One S is good at upscaling games and no[n] 4K video content – better than the TV we tested on.

I'm only out to prove that output on XBO S is better on a 4K TV than OG XBO. The fact that one HDMI port can support 4K@60 with HDR and the other cant should have been enough to prove that one relies on your TV to upscale and the other can upscale at the source.

I think I've provided significant evidence. For those of you taking it as some sleight to Sony that is your own insecurity speaking.

All the reviews I have stated over and over have all concluded it is NOT comparable or the same as native 4K. There is a reason why no one is making comparison between native and upscale. Because it's already known.


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[bunge]

All the reviews I have stated over and over have all concluded it is NOT comparable or the same as native 4K. There is a reason why no one is making comparison between native and upscale. Because it's already known.

Well, you did when you said "it won't quite be as good as native 4K."

 

[iroboto]

Well, you did when you said "it won't quite be as good as native 4K."

I did?

Please quote *my* words.


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[BRiT]

Online video doesn't have to be limited to streaming.

Which Online Video providers offer up higher definition videos with a download before playing as an option instead of streaming?

 

[MrFox]

Which Online Video providers offer up higher definition videos with a download before playing as an option instead of streaming?

Uh... The playstation store?

I always download instead of stream for rentals.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Which Online Video providers offer up higher definition videos with a download before playing as an option instead of streaming?

http://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions-remotes-selectors-cameras/fmp-x10

46 mbps videos available apparently.

Overpriced Sony streaming service to a device that looks like PS4 and no UHD in PS4. Coincidence?

 

[BRiT]

Uh... The playstation store?

I always download instead of stream for rentals.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions-remotes-selectors-cameras/fmp-x10

46 mbps videos available apparently.

Overpriced Sony streaming service to a device that looks like PS4 and no UHD in PS4. Coincidence?

Damn, that is awesome. The typical online video services don't offer any higher bitrates between their download or stream options.

EDIT: On second thought, that will drastically chew through most users bandwidth limits. Some are sure to still have insanely low limits like 500GB a month (or lower) so this isn't a real option to them. For myself, it's not an impact as I'm on a 2TB limit but that is a very rare situation in the US. I do find it oddly humorous how Sony was pitching physical media at the beginning of the generation to now have to pitch Digital Downloads in order to make the most out of their mid-generation platform.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Which Online Video providers offer up higher definition videos with a download before playing as an option instead of streaming?

BBC iPlayer does.

 

[BRiT]

BBC iPlayer does.

Sadly not available in the US.

Although at that point, I'd just as likely setup a 4K capable DVR and tune those programs that way.

 

[bunge]

I did?

Please quote *my* words.


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I did quote you. It looks like you edited your post and removed that statement.

 

[Deleted member 11852]

There are ways around that ;-)