Xbox 360 Unstable?

Seems to be a heat issue. I wonder. The area I was going to put an X360 when I can get one is an enclosed A/V cabinet. Now I have to wonder if sharing the cabinet with my A/V receiver and PVR, both of which get real hot, is going to be a problem. Perhaps there's a design flaw in the cooling solution they use, or it is easy for manufacturing to screw it up because tolerances are too stringent.
 
Demo I can already tell you it's going to be a problem if you put it inthat AV cabinet with that other stuff.
 
You can't put a piece of electronics that dissipates 250+ watts at its peak in any kind of a cabinet, lest it be a refridgerator cabinet... :)

It even says in the manual you can't put it in a stereo cabinet unless it's well ventilated, nor place it near any heat sources. It'll just be asking for trouble doing that.
 
Guden Oden said:
You can't put a piece of electronics that dissipates 250+ watts at its peak in any kind of a cabinet, lest it be a refridgerator cabinet... :)

It even says in the manual you can't put it in a stereo cabinet unless it's well ventilated, nor place it near any heat sources. It'll just be asking for trouble doing that.

Why not? My PC sits in a cabinet, draws over 250watts, and has an internal power supply...

I'll do a test when I get home, I'll sandwidh the X360 between my recievers, play it for a few hours and see if I have any problems. Judging by how cool it seems to run I think it'll be fine.

Sidenote - has anyone noticed how HOT the discs get??!
 
scooby_dooby said:
Why not? My PC sits in a cabinet, draws over 250watts, and has an internal power supply...

I'll do a test when I get home, I'll sandwidh the X360 between my recievers, play it for a few hours and see if I have any problems. Judging by how cool it seems to run I think it'll be fine.

Sidenote - has anyone noticed how HOT the discs get??!

I would honestly be intrigued by the results of that experiment. Discs getting hot seems to be a common case though. As long as it's not hot enough to cause warping and seperation on the information layer though, not too big a deal I imagine.
 
scooby_dooby said:
Why not? My PC sits in a cabinet, draws over 250watts, and has an internal power supply...

I'll do a test when I get home, I'll sandwidh the X360 between my recievers, play it for a few hours and see if I have any problems. Judging by how cool it seems to run I think it'll be fine.
That might not be very indicative though over overall system tolerance to heat. It might well not be a case of 'placing your XB360 in a warm area will cause troubles'. It might be say 5% of consoles can't cope with being surrounded by warm air, but to reduce the trouble with these a general set of instructions are given out. I'm not quite sure what the difference between individual units would be to affect vulnerability to heat, other than poor heatsink contacts. It could be there's a 5% with a not so great heatsink interface which are fine just so long as the surronding air isn't too warm.
 
I dont know how hot the discs are getting, but I played PGR3 last night for 2 hrs, and it didnt crash or glitch or cause me any problems. My 360 has been working fine with no problems. the dvd drive is loud. and when I got done playing last night I touched the case and it did not feel hot to me. I think a lot of people having issues may be putting it on a closed space.
 
scooby_dooby said:
Sidenote - has anyone noticed how HOT the discs get??!

After playing a dvd (~2hrs) in my xbox360 I just removed it. I wouldn't say it was noticeably any warmer than a disc removed from my dvd player, ps2 or computer.
 
AlphaWolf said:
After playing a dvd (~2hrs) in my xbox360 I just removed it. I wouldn't say it was noticeably any warmer than a disc removed from my dvd player, ps2 or computer.

Chances are the DVDs get hot because playing games will be using the GPU, which is directly under it -- watching DVDs is going to essentially bypass the GPU almost entirely, or at least not stress it like a game would.

That's my guess at least...
 
strange, I took kameo out last night after only a few minutes, and it was quite hot. Not super hot or anything, but definately abnormal.

I have to agree with the console seeming extremely cool though, to the touch it doesn't seem hot at all, and holy crap is teh thing quiet. Maybe fans are kicking on when I play, i woudln't be able to hear at that point anyways, but when just idleing it's like whisper quiet.
 
Bobbler said:
Chances are the DVDs get hot because playing games will be using the GPU, which is directly under it -- watching DVDs is going to essentially bypass the GPU almost entirely, or at least not stress it like a game would.

That's my guess at least...

Well the gpu is actually beside the dvd drive in my case, not under it. I have the unit in the vertical position.
 
scooby_dooby said:
strange, I took kameo out last night after only a few minutes, and it was quite hot. Not super hot or anything, but definately abnormal.

I have to agree with the console seeming extremely cool though, to the touch it doesn't seem hot at all, and holy crap is teh thing quiet. Maybe fans are kicking on when I play, i woudln't be able to hear at that point anyways, but when just idleing it's like whisper quiet.

strange.. I played fifa for about 1 hr last night and when I took it out to put pgr in, it did not feel hot. Not any warmer than when I have a cd playing on my car stereo for a while.
 
AlphaWolf said:
Well the gpu is actually beside the dvd drive in my case, not under it. I have the unit in the vertical position.

The fins of the heatsink are still the closest thing to the DVD drive -- its still going to heat up the DVD drive by the fact that it's so close. But I imagine it would have more of an affect while laying flat.

It doesn't seem to really matter though, the discs just seem to get a bit warmer to the touch than people are used to, and as long as they don't get hot enough to warp the discs then it doesn't matter. I was merely trying to possibly explain why it was happening.
 
scooby_dooby said:
strange, I took kameo out last night after only a few minutes, and it was quite hot. Not super hot or anything, but definately abnormal.

I have to agree with the console seeming extremely cool though, to the touch it doesn't seem hot at all, and holy crap is teh thing quiet. Maybe fans are kicking on when I play, i woudln't be able to hear at that point anyways, but when just idleing it's like whisper quiet.

Just tried kameo for about 15 minutes. Seems fine here. Do you have the unit horizontal or vertical?
 
I thought part of the X360's design was to fit in with the rest of your electronic equipment, but it seems it'll need its own space. Oh shenanigans...
 
scooby_dooby said:
I have to agree with the console seeming extremely cool though, to the touch it doesn't seem hot at all, and holy crap is teh thing quiet. Maybe fans are kicking on when I play, i woudln't be able to hear at that point anyways, but when just idleing it's like whisper quiet.
That reminds me of the time my bro got a new Shuttle PC, before they were the fashion. We assembled it, added our own CPU and graphics card, switched it on, and MAN was it quiet! Practically silent. I was so impressed. And then a bit later after some glitches and crashes, we found the fan wasn't plugged in and the machine was overheating :oops:. Once the fan was attached, gone was the fantastic silence (though it was still very quiet, especially compared with his old vacuum-cleaner-level-noise PC). So just be sure the fans are quiet, and not just unattached ;)
 
Guess it's one of those things that some units gets the problem and yet others don't. Thinking about it did'nt Mr. Money (bill gates) say something along the lines that the new X360 was generating lost of heat. Could of been something they would've contend with.
 
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