Those RAM chips are 1 Gbit Samsung DDR3. Not changed from the fat Xbox360. I think there is still room for improvement if they start using GDDR5 instead. They can decrease the memory chip number to 2 and memory interphase to 64bit which would lead to a much simpler board layout. they would need to change the memory controller on their CGPU to do that though.
Xbox 360 slim hardware thread
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No, for scratching discsPoo.
If you don't move the console while it's reading a disc, there's no problem. I've done it once to a Halo 3 disc. Never again though.
Tommy McClain
Gamestop is now doing pre order on these. I'm picking mine up after work
My pre-order from amazon should be here next week, I'm giving my current one to my friend.
got mine this morning GS.
No time to install yet but the new box is noticeably smaller (although not-wii-like). Very pretty... got a good deal with my trades on one system and unused accessories and gave another system to an employee as a gift and moved elite to step son.
hoping the wireless works better than the old
No time to install yet but the new box is noticeably smaller (although not-wii-like). Very pretty... got a good deal with my trades on one system and unused accessories and gave another system to an employee as a gift and moved elite to step son.
hoping the wireless works better than the old
Well they could do that, except that 2Gbit GDDR5 (32bit) chips aren't available in any numbers yet. They will be next year, especially if the Xbox 360 transitions to a lower process node.
The issue with a new memory controller is that GDDR5 uses 30% more pins so effectively the memory bus width isn't much of a saving over GDDR3, and it also depends on how much the GDDR5 costs relative to the GDDR3. Its not worth it unless the ram chips themselves are cheaper. Also I believe there might be timing issues as GDDR5 is read in a different way? Im sorry I don't fully understand but I heard it was an issue when I brought it up before.
If only that were true. I've lost both a Mass Effect and Fable 2 disc to my 360 without any assistance.
The GS employee here wasn't any better. I called yesterday and they had no idea what I was talking about. Then when I went in today, one of them told me they had two yesterday that sold right away.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Very nice power numbers especially coming from my launch Xenon. 155.7 idle down to 70.4 and 177.1 load down to 88.
I might actually game more on it now without feeling like I'm wasting electricity.
Just hope there's stock when I get back...<crossing fingers>...
Regards,
SB
155.7 idle down to 70.4 and 177.1 load down to 88.I might actually game more on it now without feeling like I'm wasting electricity.
Just hope there's stock when I get back...<crossing fingers>...
Regards,
SB
Very nice power numbers especially coming from my launch Xenon.
I might actually game more on it now without feeling like I'm wasting electricity.
Just hope there's stock when I get back...<crossing fingers>...
Regards,
SB
It's a nice thought but it wont save you any real money. Say you somehow had the console on 8 hours a day (probably WAY more than realistic), lets use the idle figures, you'd save 20 kw a month, which would be about $2 a month at 10c a Kw (about what I currently pay). More realistically if you average 2 hours a day (or 60 hours gaming/watching a month!) then it's .50 a month. Myself I only occasionally game at all so the savings would be essentially nothing. Of course I have a Jasper so it doesnt apply to me...I suppose using the $2 a month figure, you could save $72 in three years, not bad but, hardly significant, I mean three years! And that's at 8 hours every single day..
I read a post on cheapassgamer where a guy said a gamestop lady told him they'd sold out their 39k allocation chainwide and no more were available! Gonna be a nice NPD boost. Seems like a ton of repeat buyers, but I doubt MS minds too much as I expect it's pretty profitable hardware. In fact I suspect that may be why they delayed the "slim Arcade", which is probably break even or worse.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
When you get into budgeting finances, 1 USD a month savings is just as important as 10 USD a month savings. If you take the attitude that 1 USD here and there isn't important, might as well spend it, then you'll save a LOT less money. If you take the attitude that 1 USD here and there is important you'll save quite a bit more money.
Over the course of a month whether in electricity, other utilities, food, gas, etc. there's quite often 50-100 different opportunities where you can save 2 USD or less. Whether it's driving on roads with less stoplights or turning off lights that aren't in use or using more efficient utilities, fixing leaky faucets, getting the 8 USD meal instead of the 9 USD meal, etc...
Everything adds up. Once I started budgetting and accounting for even the 1 USD items, it was easy to save up an additional 1-3k USD a year. All without major sacrifices or excessive adjustments to daily life.
Is the electricity savings from this going to make or break a budget? No, probably not. Nor will the other small savings from something else. Or the other one, or another one or... But added up if you saved on all the little things, it becomes one big pile of cash.
Anyways, you'd have gotten more headway from me if you mentioned the savings in electricity over the lifespan of the X360 Slim wouldn't come close the price I have to pay to replace my old one. And normally that would prevent me from getting it. But I've been wanting an X360 with HDMI for a while now, and while I've been waiting for the damn thing to RROD or die some other way, a 360 Slim is a good enough reason to replace it now...
Regards,
SB
Over the course of a month whether in electricity, other utilities, food, gas, etc. there's quite often 50-100 different opportunities where you can save 2 USD or less. Whether it's driving on roads with less stoplights or turning off lights that aren't in use or using more efficient utilities, fixing leaky faucets, getting the 8 USD meal instead of the 9 USD meal, etc...
Everything adds up. Once I started budgetting and accounting for even the 1 USD items, it was easy to save up an additional 1-3k USD a year. All without major sacrifices or excessive adjustments to daily life.
Is the electricity savings from this going to make or break a budget? No, probably not. Nor will the other small savings from something else. Or the other one, or another one or... But added up if you saved on all the little things, it becomes one big pile of cash.
Anyways, you'd have gotten more headway from me if you mentioned the savings in electricity over the lifespan of the X360 Slim wouldn't come close the price I have to pay to replace my old one. And normally that would prevent me from getting it. But I've been wanting an X360 with HDMI for a while now, and while I've been waiting for the damn thing to RROD or die some other way, a 360 Slim is a good enough reason to replace it now...
Regards,
SB
Yeah, that's the flaw in your argument.
And I dont buy the "save a little here and it adds up!" thinking. Not really, it really doesn't add up. If you save a penny a day, it really just truly doesn't mean much of anything, unless you can invest it in a good return to beat inflation which is really hard to find in these days.
It reminds me of so many people during the $4 gas era, would go miles out of their way to save a couple cents a gallon on gas. When I'd point out the inevitable stupidity (hey, you're only saving like 50 cents on a fillup, really not worth all the trouble), they'd usually retort "every little bit helps!" or something like that as justification. No, not really...
But I think this is now waaaaaaaaaaaay OT :smile:
But I guess my original point was, if you take the time to calculate real electric savings on these things, it's usually not very much.
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Silent_Buddha
Legend
Well tell that to my HDTV, HD receiver, and other toys I've bought purely through those 1 USD and 2 USD savings devices. And with money to spare to throw into savings.
I keep a budget at home so I can track where I'm saving and what I'm saving it on.My most disappointing experience so far has to be CCFLs though. I've lost a ton of money on that compared to incandescents.
So back to incandescents until CCFLs come down further in price or until Obama manages to ban the cheaper and more cost effective Incandescents. But again, going way off topic. Will leave you with the last response if you like. I'll go back to the regularly scheduled topic. Regards,
SB
(((interference)))
Veteran
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/18/new-xbox-360-head-to-head-with-the-360-original-ps3-slim-and/
Apparently, it still makes some noise while reading from disk
What's causing that, faster DVD read speed?
Apparently, it still makes some noise while reading from disk
What's causing that, faster DVD read speed?
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Oh that would be interesting. And wouldn't break compatability with previous games since drive speed will only affect level load and asset streaming speeds.
I'd be amazed if they managed a faster drive speed AND lowered the noise of the drive. Those two items are counter to each other. That'd be some nifty engineering.
Also interesting how despite being larger, the shape of the PS3 Slim gives it the illusion of being smaller from certain angles. Top down is very unflattering to it though. Just like face on is unflattering to the 360 S compared to the PS3 Slim.
Regards,
SB
I'd be amazed if they managed a faster drive speed AND lowered the noise of the drive. Those two items are counter to each other. That'd be some nifty engineering.
Also interesting how despite being larger, the shape of the PS3 Slim gives it the illusion of being smaller from certain angles. Top down is very unflattering to it though. Just like face on is unflattering to the 360 S compared to the PS3 Slim.
Regards,
SB
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