What do you see the next gen consoles doing Graphicly?

[London Geezer]

It reminds me of this discussion on how powerful the ps1 was and how beautiful its games were in the eyes of some guys. They were citing game kile vagrant story and MGs, both games well known to be in the 3K pol by frame. Just compare with what we got on the ps2, it could give you an idea of ther jump from ps2 to ps3.

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[Lazy8s]

london-boy:

SOMEONE HERE is getting the generations a bit wrong.

You, for one.

the generations are getting weird because the 128 bits generation started in 2000 with Dreamcast

Dreamcast came out in November 1998.

and the last 128bit console came out in 2002....

Xbox in November 2001, I believe.

so the dreamcast could be mistaken for a different generation when it actually isnt... its like half-a-generation...

There's a three year spread between Dreamcast and Xbox, not to mention that the Dreamcast was built for the $199 pricepoint and not the $299 pricepoint of the Xbox.

mid-1996 saw the $199 launch of N64.
late-1998 saw the $199 launch of DC.
early-2000 saw the $299 launch of PS2.
late-2001 saw the $299 launch of Xbox.

With that in mind, here's a comparison of top-tier 30 fps games on each console from as comparable a timetable as I can determine:

N64:

DC:

PS2:

Xbox:

Here are some quick screens of 60 fps Dreamcast games:

 

[zidane1strife]

All of those, except the ps2(and maybe the n64) are easy to dev... Thus a lot more is gotten earlier out of the easy ones, you should place screens from this year's e3 for ps2 and of n64 last soft. gen., It's only fair.

 

[jvd]

All of those, except the ps2(and maybe the n64) are easy to dev... Thus a lot more is gotten earlier out of the easy ones, you should place screens from this year's e3 for ps2 and of n64 last soft. gen., It's only fair.

and by doing that you completely forget the point i was making. Last gen xbox games will look the same as pre gen and first gen ps2, xbox2, gamecube2 games . Not once did i say games that come out a year or two after the launch.

Oh and for whoever brought up shenmue not running at 60fps. I'd love to see some framerates for mgs2.

Problem with this thread are there are people like me who don't care which system is the best cause he will buy them all and thier great games. And people who can only afford one system and it seems to be the ps3.

Here is one example of a pre gen game looking the same as a last gen game. Virtual fighter for the saturn looked very close to starwars (32x) Star fox (supernes)

Also the gens are getting shorter.

Doom 3 i was playing at a steady 40fps at 1600x1200 on my 9700pro. Doom is most likely coming out for x mass since its been said it will be shown at e3 again. THat means i should have my r400 around the time the game comes out. Unless there are more slips from ati.

Computers 256meg system ram , 128meg video ram. Highend next year will most likely be 512meg system ram and 256meg video ram.

compare that to a system . Even the ps3 and xbox will top out at 256megs full system ram. Mabye xbox with more if its system ram can be cheap ddr ram .

 

[Paul]

"Even the ps3 and xbox will top out at 256megs full system ram."

More crap pulled out of your ass that holds no merit.

My DOOM3 alpha version is from July 2002, meaning im playing it so it's a 2002 game. 2002 Graphics anyway.

Your telling me a game that is optimized for a geforce 3 is going to look better than a first gen ps3 game? Really, it's the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Oh and Carmack has said that Doom3 will run on Xbox at full details fine.

A "high end" as you put it computer now features 512mb ram and a Radeon 9700. Next year it will be the best card out with 1GB ram.

 

[Paul]

"I'd love to see some framerates for mgs2."

MGS2 runs at 60, at all times.

Did first gen Xbox games look like current ps2 games? No

Did first gen ps2 games look like last gen psone games? No

Did first gen gamecube games look like last gen n64 games? No

Will first gen ps3 games blow away doom3, a game which we are PLAYING now? YES, it will.

There is no way a game that is based on geforce 3 tech, and that my friend is playing now at 70+ fps on his p4 3.0Ghz 1gb rd ram and a 9700PRO is going to look better than a first gen ps3 game in 2005ish.

Anyone who thinks this is a moron plain and simple. Anyone who thinks a last gen Xbox game, which will be based on 4 year tech, will look the same as a first gen ps3 game is also a moron. Even if they arent getting any power out of the ps3 with it's first games, it will still look largely better than any Xbox game.

 

[bas1975]

"Last gen xbox games will look the same as pre gen and first gen ps2, xbox2, gamecube2 games . "

No they won't. Last gen PS1 games look nothing like first gen PS2 games. Last gen N64 games look nothing like first gen GC games. Open your eyes man.

 

[jvd]

"I'd love to see some framerates for mgs2."

MGS2 runs at 60, at all times.

Where. Show me proof. You saying so doesn't make it happen. Show me shenmue doing better on the ps2 than the dreamcast. Hell the xbox handles it worse than the dreamcast. And we would all agree here the same power leap from the dreamcast to the xbox exists with the dreamcast to the ps2.

Did first gen Xbox games look like current ps2 games? No

No why would they. They were first gen games against 3rd gen games on hardware that was only a year apart.
I have stated many times. Last gen games of the previous generation of hardware will look about the same as the pre gen - first gen games of the next generation. Of course if you compare 2d games to 3d games there is a diffrence. But we are not going from 2d games - 3d games now are we ? So looking at the 3dgames of the 16bit gen (32x games and some snes games) You get starwars - virtual fighter on the saturn. Both look close to each other.

Did first gen ps2 games look like last gen psone games? No

Some of them did. Hell some ps2 games , xbox games and gamecube games coming out now look like crap.

Did first gen gamecube games look like last gen n64 games? No

No. Of course the time frame from the xbox - the ps3 is closer to the n64- the dreamcast than it is the n64 - the gamecube.

Will first gen ps3 games blow away doom3, a game which we are PLAYING now? YES, it will.

No one is playing it now. I have a leaked alpha which will look nothing like the completed game. Should the next gen games one up doom 3. Yes they should. Will they do it with the first bunch of games. I don't know. Lots of stuff is going on in doom3. There are many diffrent levels of rendering. Different paths. Right now the highest quality path is only run by the r300 and r350 series. The geforce fx doesn't even run the highest path (it does 2x slower than the r300s so carmack made a nv30 path) Not only that but i can one up the graphics by adding 16tap aniso and higher levels of aa.

There is no way a game that is based on geforce 3 tech, and that my friend is playing now at 70+ fps on his p4 3.0Ghz 1gb rd ram and a 9700PRO is going to look better than a first gen ps3 game in 2005ish.

Why ? According to you and your friends thats all end of 2002 start of 2003 tech. Only 2-3 years behind the ps3 system. At which point based on sonys previous system. Its gpu will be behind the curve of whats out at the time. We had geforces and the gpu of the ps2 was more like a voodoo2 card in features and ablitys.

Anyone who thinks this is a moron plain and simple. Anyone who thinks a last gen Xbox game, which will be based on 4 year tech, will look the same as a first gen ps3 game is also a moron. Even if they arent getting any power out of the ps3 with it's first games, it will still look largely better than any Xbox game.

So genral . What is largely ? The xbox has a huge feature set that is just barely being used. It has suport for pixel shaders which will up the graphics on it once more. Its currently being used only in some areas. Just as the first gen ps2 games look like crap compared to what the ps2 is doing now it will be the same with the xbox. Its just the way it is. All systems were like that. All systems will continue to be like that. There is no point in argueing anymore. Since I'm a sony basher and your a sony fan boy. SO instead i'm going back to the thread and read about that impressive bumpmaping engine

i didn't fix this right so some of my reply is inside the quote

 

[Paul]

"Since I'm a sony basher and your a sony fan boy."

Rofl, stop putting words in my mouth, I don't even own a Sony system.

The comparason between how last gen psone games dont look like ps2 launch games, and how last gen n64 games dont look like first gen gc games is an EXAMPLE of how you are wrong.

Everything your saying is wrong sorry to say. SHOW ME a last gen psone game that looks like tekken tag. Oh wait you can't, all that rhetoric is going to your head.

You seem to think that Xbox is a huge god which games will look like ps3 launch games, how pathetic.

Notice how everyone in this thread is against you? Your wrong and you don't want to admit it. Keep thinking that last gen Xbox games will look as good as the first gen ps3 games will. How can ANYONE in their right mind think this?

 

[Paul]

"We had geforces and the gpu of the ps2 was more like a voodoo2 card in features and ablitys."

We had cards back then that could draw 75 Million polygons per second?

 

[zidane1strife]

Keep thinking that last gen Xbox games will look as good as the first gen ps3 games will

Hmmm, that reminds me.... Halo 2 is coming out in 2004... it is basically a last gen xbox game, since ps3 will likely be announced in early 2004, and launch in 2005.

The ps3 demos will shatter any pc games at the time, and any gpu demos at the time, by a significant margin... and the first gen. games shall surpass the demos...

 

[jvd]

"We had geforces and the gpu of the ps2 was more like a voodoo2 card in features and ablitys."

We had cards back then that could draw 75 Million polygons per second?

no and neither did the gpu in the ps2. The main cpu is what draws its polygons. Mabye i should say its rastinizer (sp?) is equal to that of a voodo2

 

[jvd]

Keep thinking that last gen Xbox games will look as good as the first gen ps3 games will

Hmmm, that reminds me.... Halo 2 is coming out in 2004... it is basically a last gen xbox game, since ps3 will likely be announced in early 2004, and launch in 2005.

The ps3 demos will shatter any pc games at the time, and any gpu demos at the time, by a significant margin... and the first gen. games shall surpass the demos...

Ps3 demos will shatter any pc game at the time. Well mabye , they are just demos. I'm sure pc demos on the cards out about the time of the ps3 will look just as good . As for the games surpasing the demos . Show me one game that surpasses the final fantsy rendered scene that they had whe nthe ps2 launch.

Btw halo 2 may or may not be a last gen xbox game. Also as the logic in this thread states. It doesn't matter when its announced. Its when it actually ships. So the ps3 will be 2005 tech and thus compared to xbox 2005 games .


And for the last time we are comparing ps3- xbox. So the arguement of psone games not looking like ps2 games wont hold true. Mabye psone games aginst the dreamcast yes. But not psone - ps2 games

 

[bas1975]

"And for the last time we are comparing ps3- xbox."

Yup, we are. And you simply don't have a leg to stand on. First gen PS3 games will make last gen xbox games look very bad. New consoles always make the previous generation look bad. The next generation isn't going to be any different.

 

[marconelly!]

no and neither did the gpu in the ps2. The main cpu is what draws its polygons.

Actually, it's the rasterizer that draws the polygons (that's why it's called how it's called, I guess) and it's 66MP/s not 75M.

 

[jvd]

"And for the last time we are comparing ps3- xbox."

Yup, we are. And you simply don't have a leg to stand on. First gen PS3 games will make last gen xbox games look very bad. New consoles always make the previous generation look bad. The next generation isn't going to be any different.

Once again , starfox - virtual fighter , legacy of kain soul reaver psx -dc ... all very close in graphics... tell me again how they make the previous gen games look bad ? All your telling me is that I'm wrong. Even after i have shown proof of what i'm talking about in past gens. The games that launch with a system are 90%of th time on par with the last of the previous generation. Trust me I am not wrong.

 

[jvd]

no and neither did the gpu in the ps2. The main cpu is what draws its polygons.

Actually, it's the rasterizer that draws the polygons (that's why it's called how it's called, I guess) and it's 66MP/s not 75M.

then i hae the wrong name for it . THe main chip is what. THe ee ? the second one is thegraphics sysnthiser ? THe gs has about the same abilitys as the voodo2 cards on the pc.

 

[bas1975]

"The games that launch with a system are 90%of th time on par with the last of the previous generation."

Show me one N64 game that can compete with a game developed for the Gamecube. Show me one PSX game that can compete with a game developed for the PS2. You'll never find one.

 

[jvd]

"The games that launch with a system are 90%of th time on par with the last of the previous generation."

Show me one N64 game that can compete with a game developed for the Gamecube. Show me one PSX game that can compete with a game developed for the PS2. You'll never find one.

Once again , the first of this generation would be th dreamcast system. It came out in 98. The last of the 64bit gen woud be the n64 system. But as pointed out i was able to give you examples of a psone game looking as good as a dreamcast game. Now the last of this generation would be the xbox. It was the last to come out. THe first of the next generation would be ps3 as it stands now. So then if we are comparing the xbox - the ps3 as with the past it would stand that the very last games on the xbox will use all the power and all the tricks that were learned in the last 5 years of its life compared to a system that has games that were mostly developed based on specs and unfinished hardware. That is where I am coming from.

 

[zidane1strife]

Show me one game that surpasses the final fantsy rendered scene that they had whe nthe ps2 launch.

Silent Hill 3.

As for the xbox 2005 comment... not even the ps2 will be selling at the current pace by then... all last gen console sales/support, will begin to slowly halt when ps3 is launched... beginning by those in 2/3rd position, up to the market leader.

Yeah, some ports of psx games to dc do look very similar, even the GCN re 2-3 likely look similar to psx games.

But, still sony clearly stated this gen(no psx/ps2 hybrid games are allowed.), and most games 'moved' from psx to ps2 received at least a decent upgrade... True some of the games that are 'MOVED' from the ps2/xbox dev. to the ps3 platform, if thrown out with minor upgrades could look real bad, but I doubt that will be allowed.

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