What do you see the next gen consoles doing Graphicly?

[marconelly!]

Really pretty games will always be pretty. Look at Metal Slug, Another World, etc. I also fully expect that games like ICO, PDO or ZoE2 although technically outdated will be something nice to look at for time to come. Their art direction guarantees that.

 

[Lazy8s]

BoddoZerg:

As for physics, I have yet to see a game where physics is more than just a gimmick.

In Halo, you can shoot enemy aircraft from your position on the ground in your WartHog, have the damaged ship acted upon by the world's physics model, and then have the flaming wreckage fall down upon you while you're driving to cause you damage if you're not careful. Another example where physics is a legitimate factor in the gameplay of Halo is how you can use the combined blast power of grenades to "jump" a WartHog to otherwise out-of-the-reach areas of the world by setting off a stockpile of them beneath a vehicle.

 

[Paul]

jvd you are by far the most ignorant person I have ever seen.

To think that a 2001 game, doom 3 will look BETTER than a 2005-2006 launch game is a statement of ignorance. It also proves once again that you will bash PS3 under any means nessecary.

Your also forgetting how Carmack has stated that doom3 will run on xbox perfect at all the details huh? Don't YOU dare tell me it cannot be done, because I trust him alot more than I trust you.

PS3 launch games having less than doom3 graphics, I laugh at the concept. Your sad, very sad.

"But there wil be no big diffrence. Mabye another level of fsaa. Sharper textures and alot more of the old effects. But thats it. NOthing huge and drastic."

BWAHAHA. How can you HONESTLY say this with a straight face? So basicly your average PS3 game will look like an average PC game today? Because PC games are basicly Xbox games with some higher res textures, some aniso and AA.


"You can't see the diffrence over dreamcast games and ps2 games and those are diffrent generations."

Too bad DC has nothing that can match Silent hill3 no? Or Even MGS2 for that matter.


"THe textures in the doom 3 gamewill be beyond what eventhe 2005 consoles will be able to store."

Alot of the textures in the Alpha are trash. You obviously haven't played it. To think that a 2006 machine could not store doom3's textures is just too funny.

Your pathedic.

 

[Almasy]

Well, Paul said it better than I did. So jvd, you do basically expect the next gen systems to look like the last gen Xbox games, basically a GeForce 3 to GeForce 4 jump... that is...sad.

Mindless bashing no matter how coated in supposed knowledge always shines through.

 

[jvd]

jvd you are by far the most ignorant person I have ever seen.

To think that a 2001 game, doom 3 will look BETTER than a 2005-2006 launch game is a statement of ignorance. It also proves once again that you will bash PS3 under any means nessecary.

Your also forgetting how Carmack has stated that doom3 will run on xbox perfect at all the details huh? Don't YOU dare tell me it cannot be done, because I trust him alot more than I trust you.

PS3 launch games having less than doom3 graphics, I laugh at the concept. Your sad, very sad.

"But there wil be no big diffrence. Mabye another level of fsaa. Sharper textures and alot more of the old effects. But thats it. NOthing huge and drastic."

BWAHAHA. How can you HONESTLY say this with a straight face? So basicly your average PS3 game will look like an average PC game today? Because PC games are basicly Xbox games with some higher res textures, some aniso and AA.


"You can't see the diffrence over dreamcast games and ps2 games and those are diffrent generations."

Too bad DC has nothing that can match Silent hill3 no? Or Even MGS2 for that matter.


"THe textures in the doom 3 gamewill be beyond what eventhe 2005 consoles will be able to store."

Alot of the textures in the Alpha are trash. You obviously haven't played it. To think that a 2006 machine could not store doom3's textures is just too funny.

Your pathedic.

Well considering our great talk I'm using your version of a current game. Doom 3 is not released yet and may well not be release till 2004 . So then it be a 2004 game vs a 2005 game correct ? Sedond. Sure the xbox can run doom 3. At 640x480 at 15fps with low textures. I'm sorry. When i talk about doom 3 I talk about 1600x1200 with some fsaa and 16tap aniso. That is how i will be playing it. No console will be able to do that . Or are you the ignorant one thats going to try to tell me it can. Who would own a top of the line pc to play a game a crappy res like 640x480? I haven't played that since my voodo2s and once in a blue moon with my tnt and tnt 2.
I also said it will have less textures. That is all. Do you care to go against that ? DO you care to wager that max detailed textures will most likely fill up a 128 megs of ram or more ? Are you going to tell me that the ps3 will have a 128 megs of video ram. Not only of video ram but then over 256 megs of system ram to go with it ?


Mgs2 is the biggest over hyped pos ever made. Shenmue (and watch how fast you attack it) Is every bit as graphicly impressive as mgs2. 90% of metal gear solid takes place in small rooms. I'm sure the dreamcast can handle that game. Its not a feat that would be hard to do. THe one scene that compares to shenmue is when your on the boat and can see most of the ship. Which only happens at night and there is fog and limited view distance. I've never played the other game u mentioned nor do i know when it came out so i will not say anything .

Second of all I am not bashing anything. In this thread it was brought up that we should be talking about all future consoles. I think they will all reach the same limitations . Ie not enough ram . I may be wrong. SO prove me wrong. Oh wait u can't . All u now is the cell chip is slated to have 64megs of ram. Which is nice. But not enough.

I have played the leak alpha of doom3. It is a leaked alpha. Why would even think thats what th final game will look like. But yet even in alpha stage only a few games on current systems come close to it.

My last point is simple. Do not insult me. You may disagree with me and say my opinion is wrong and I may do th same you but never ever call me ignorant or any other names. I get enough of that when i baby sit my 5year old cousin. I don'tneed it here.

I'm a realist. If someone does a magic trick i wont be impressed untill i can't prove how it was done. In that sense if someone tells me to expect this an that and this other thing i wont believe it till i'm shown it.

 

[jvd]

Well, Paul said it better than I did. So jvd, you do basically expect the next gen systems to look like the last gen Xbox games, basically a GeForce 3 to GeForce 4 jump... that is...sad.

Mindless bashing no matter how coated in supposed knowledge always shines through.

well this is my last post here. IF you go back and read what posted I said first gen and pre gen games will look like last gen xbox games. Of course the ps3 will pass up everything that came before it. Thats how the world works . I think the only mindless bashing comes from you and paul. Since neither of you actually read my posts . I state very clearly that as in all past generations the first games released on the systems never use the powerof that system. No where near it. Look at the first games to come out on the ps2 and look at the ones currenty out. Its plain as day .

THe problem is someone come and says that the ps3 wont be the second comming and they are bashing it. It doesn't work that way. IF i wanted to bash the ps3 i would just say it sucked and the xbox 2 will own it. I did not do that. As it stands i believe that all 3 future systems will have thier own pros and cons just like the ones we have now.

I'm leaving this thread now since i see no end to what is happening. I will continue to post my view. And i will continue to be told I'm wrong and i'm a ps3 basher. Which I can't be since the ps3 does not exist. Good night

 

[Sonic]

Panzer Dragoon Orta graphics have already been surpassed by a nice margin with current games in progress at SEGA. Of course that's technical and not artistic.

I highly doubt that first generation PS3 games will look like last generation Xbox games, that just doesn't make any sense. The system will have loads of power at the dev's fingertips even in a situation where a first gen PS3 game is highly unoptimized and programmed really sloppily. The games will still look worlds better than last gen Xbox games. I don't see how the games on Xbox would possibly be able to compare. At the very least it will be the level of difference from PSX to Dreamcast. I'll take Tony Hawk as an example, it looks 10x better on Dreamcast than it does on PSX. I expect no less than that coming from PS3 when compared to last generation Xbox games. I think some people are going to be headed for a huge dissapointment when they only expect such small leaps in graphics over today's consoles. It doesn't matter what some people say about current TV resolution and it not being able to display far better graphics. That argument isn't that strong since the TV res will be just fine for graphics. Only thing is it needs to get clearer.

The leap from PS2 to PS3 will most likely be greater than the leap from PSX to PS2 in terms of graphics. FF8/9/10 CG should be capable on PS3 and that looks like a good step in graphics and is a much bigger leap than PSx to PS2.

In the end the best thing was can do is wait and see. As arguing is rather pointless now, but in time it shall be revealed.

 

[Almasy]

I read every single stupid post you made here, believe me, and the only logical conclusion is that you are not a realist, you are an idiot, basically. You have more technical knowlegde than I do, and sincerely, it´s a big waste that you have it, especially after hearing your "unbiased" impressions about MGS2.

You may me a lot more technically versed than I am, however, common sense is evident, so fanboy comments can be recognized everywhere just using a bit of it. Read what you just typed, last gen Xbox games looking comparable to PS3 games? That´s ridiculous, and a clear evidence of stupidity (or an urgence to feel "different", which is pretty sad). CBFD doesn´t look remotely close to Soul Calibur or Sonic Adventure, a launch game. Star Fox on SNES doesn´t even come close to To Shin De or whatever its name was on PSX. Mario 3 doesn´t even look close to being comparable to Sonic the Hedgehog.

 

[Almasy]

I envy you Sonic, how are you able to remain calm after such...arguements are babbled? Those kinds of arguements generally make me quite angry at the obvious falseness of it, much less seeing someone..."not bright" enough to firmly believe in them.

 

[overclocked]

To think that a 2001 game, doom 3 will look BETTER than a 2005-2006 launch game is a statement of ignorance. It also proves once again that you will bash PS3 under any means nessecary.

I think i get your point but we should stick too the thing you mentioend earlier, that Doom3 in this case is a "late 2003 game" as well as the tech of a console realesed in 2006 is not 2002 tech or whatever.

Really pretty games will always be pretty. Look at Metal Slug, Another World, etc. I also fully expect that games like ICO, PDO or ZoE2 although technically outdated will be something nice to look at for time to come. Their art direction guarantees that.

Agree with you 100% on that one, just look at what "some people" calls a superb painting when i just see some color dots and stripes that a 3 year old could have done or even a elephant!

 

[overclocked]

Btw that picture of PDO look´s amazing, really nice.

 

[Phil]

Mgs2 is the biggest over hyped pos ever made. Shenmue (and watch how fast you attack it) Is every bit as graphicly impressive as mgs2. 90% of metal gear solid takes place in small rooms. I'm sure the dreamcast can handle that game. Its not a feat that would be hard to do. THe one scene that compares to shenmue is when your on the boat and can see most of the ship. Which only happens at night and there is fog and limited view distance. I've never played the other game u mentioned nor do i know when it came out so i will not say anything .

JVD, if Shenmue at least run well on DC with a constand 60 fps framerate and no glitches etc, I wouldn't be afraid to compare it to MGS2. We've had this discussion in many other threads and I think it's pretty pointless... why bring it up again?

 

[chaphack]

Panzer Dragoon Orta graphics have already been surpassed by a nice margin with current games in progress at SEGA. Of course that's technical and not artistic

PDO RPG for XBOX??? Shenmue 3 for XBOX???


Anyway, i dont really expect a big leap from last gen Xbox -> PS3, at least not with all games. You have to realise that PS3 will be a programming nightmare.

There will be many early PS3 games with slightly better AA, textures and polygon than last gen Xbox games but not truly next gen looking. Just like how PSX THPS -> DC THPS looks.

Of course there will be a handful of "tech demo" games from the big developers, but the initial PS3 graphics will not be shockingly good.

On the other hand, Xbox2 might have that real next gen leap early on, due to its usual PC stuffs.

 

[Ozymandis]

I'm sorry. When i talk about doom 3 I talk about 1600x1200 with some fsaa and 16tap aniso. That is how i will be playing it. No console will be able to do that .

What 3d card will you be doing this on? And what's the timeframe? If Doom3 comes out in 2003 you won't be running at that res with those settings and be getting a playable framerate.

 

[chaphack]

Anyway, i dont really expect a big leap from last gen Xbox -> PS3, at least not with all games.

Sorry, i meant last gen Xbox -> early PS3 games.

 

[London Geezer]

Anyway, i dont really expect a big leap from last gen Xbox -> PS3, at least not with all games.

Sorry, i meant last gen Xbox -> early PS3 games.

SOMEONE HERE is getting the generations a bit wrong. the generations are getting weird because the 128 bits generation started in 2000 with Dreamcast and the last 128bit console came out in 2002.... so the dreamcast could be mistaken for a different generation when it actually isnt... its like half-a-generation... what we have to look at is the leap FROM THE SAME COMPANY.

so u should look at the Nintendo leap, from SNES to N64 to Gamecube.... the leap is pretty amazing....

or the leap between PS1 and PS2..... again, pretty neat...

u could compare other consoles only if they all come out at the same time...

still, anyone thinking that a (at least) 4 year younger piece of hardware won't pull out (even first gen) something that is miles better is just illogical....

then u have chap coming saying that the leap will only be big with xbox2

 

[chaphack]

SOMEONE HERE is getting the generations a bit wrong

No im not. I did give an example of THPS PSX vs THPS DC. The DC version look slightly more beefed up, better filtering and smoother textures. Nowhere as jumpy as it should be. You can also compare AiTD PSX vs AiTD DC.

I expect early PS3 games to exihibit that level of jump, mainly due to PS3 programming.

then u have chap coming saying that the leap will only be big with xbox2

No. I meant early Xbox2 games will have more of a generation leap than early PS3 games. Again, due to the complicated CELL system.
All future systems will show a great leap over older hardware. DUH! It is just when do they start having looking games.

 

[London Geezer]

SOMEONE HERE is getting the generations a bit wrong

No im not. I did give an example of THPS PSX vs THPS DC. The DC version look slightly more beefed up, better filtering and smoother textures. Nowhere as jumpy as it should be. You can also compare AiTD PSX vs AiTD DC.

I expect early PS3 games to exihibit that level of jump, mainly due to PS3 programming.

then u have chap coming saying that the leap will only be big with xbox2

No. I meant early Xbox2 games will have more of a generation leap than early PS3 games. Again, due to the complicated CELL system.
All future systems will show a great leap over older hardware. DUH! It is just when do they start having looking games.

whatever chap.

all i'm saying (read my lips) is that if u say *last gen Xbox games will look slightly worse than early ps3 code* then u should also say *last gen N64 games look slightly worse than DC games*.....

and i'm also saying that the *leap* is going to be a bit off since we're no longer in the days where consoles of the same generations come out pretty much at the same time (or at least not with 2 or 3 years difference)... when did DC launch and when did the Xbox come out for example??? see, it's just going to be a pain quantitizing the *LEAP*....

that is why i said that it is EASIER to look at the leap in the same company of hardware, like the leap from Saturn to Dreamcast, or from N64 and Gamecube, and from PS1 to PS2...

is that so hard to understand?

maybe u need a fourth username, chap.......

 

[overclocked]

No. I meant early Xbox2 games will have more of a generation leap than early PS3 games. Again, due to the complicated CELL system.

Do we really know that, nobody knows.

 

[chaphack]

is that so hard to understand?

Are we not talking about last gen Xbox games vs first gen PS3/Xbox2 games?

*last gen N64 games look slightly worse than DC games*.....

Take a look at THPS games on both system.

maybe u need a fourth username, chap.......

it is EASIER to look at the leap in the same company of hardware

I think RR4 looks pretty good. Not as high fps or resolution than JagRacer5, but the leap was not jaw droppingly good.

You have to recall that many early PS2 games were pretty bleh. Poor textures and image quality with lots of noise artifact. Only higher fps and polycount. Early programming woes definitely hampered the realization of PSX -> PS2 graphics leap.