The real battle isn't DS vs. PSP...

[PC-Engine]

People don't want a jack of all trades and master of none device.

As evidenced by the appalling sales of PSP. Sony must be gutted no-one want's their multifunction system! And of course all those mobile phones that are now gaming machines, cameras, browsers, etc.

When you say 'people' dont' want such a device, are you sure you don't just mean you?

Do you know how stupid that sounds? The PSP is selling well because it's a nice gaming machine. Not because it's a shoddy movie music player. It's very simple. That's like saying people are buying camera phones because of the camera instead of the phone. I think you're confused as to why people buy these devices.

Your analogy is extremely flawed. People carry around cellphones everyday because they need to make/receive phone calls everyday. When you have to carry around a device EVERYDAY it makes sense to have other devices integrated into it. A digital camera integrated into it makes A LOT of sense because it's always there in the phone ready for you to take pictures with and it doesn't drain the battery as much. Ever heard of the common "If only I had my camera with me"? Will you see a person carrying around a PSP everyday? I don't think so. Can you honestly see a person carrying around a portable game machine once in awhile saying to themselves "If only I had MP3 player with me"? I don't think so. When a person decides to take a PSP with them, they've already made up their mind to play games. They're not like some indecisive idiot who takes it with them and says "Uh I don't know what I want to do today so I'm going to take this all in one device that's a poor excuse for an MP3 player and a poor excuse for a movie player just in case I want to listen to music or watch movies in a lame kinda way."

When people travel, they take their gadgets with them because they have room in their bags/luggage. They don't say "You know this tiny little lighter sized flash MP3 player is just too darn big to carry with me." or "You know this DVD player is just too big". PSP's extra functionality is for people who don't already have a portable MP3 player or DVD player or people too poor to buy those devices. For those who already have a MP3 player or DVD player they're buying the PSP for it's gaming functions. Ask yourself this, how many people need to watch movies, play games, listen to MP3s in the course of a single day???

 

[London Geezer]

You keep talking about the people when really you should only be talking about you, your own experience and preferences, because they're obviously very different from other people's.

 

[PC-Engine]

It just common sense to those who have common sense. All you need to do is answer the questions I brought up.

How many people need to watch movies, play games, listen to MP3s in the course of a single day???

Here's the answer, not many.

 

[London Geezer]

It just common sense to those who have common sense. All you need to do is answer the questions I brought up.

How many people need to watch movies, play games, listen to MP3s in the course of a single day???

Here's the answer, not many.

But common sense is a personal idea. Your common sense is not my common sense. The guy who just killed 10 people had a very different common sense to mine.

 

[PC-Engine]

It just common sense to those who have common sense. All you need to do is answer the questions I brought up.

How many people need to watch movies, play games, listen to MP3s in the course of a single day???

Here's the answer, not many.

But common sense is a personal idea. Your common sense is not my common sense. The guy who just killed 10 people had a very different common sense to mine.

We're talking about the majority of people who are buying a PSP and what they're buying it for. The notion that people are buying it because it has MP3 and movie playback functionality is only true for a small group of people. In other words it only makes sense for a small group of people.

 

[London Geezer]

We're talking about the majority of people who are buying a PSP and what they're buying it for. The notion that people are buying it because it has MP3 and movie playback functionality is only true for a small group of people. In other words it only makes sense for a small group of people.

No one is saying that people are buying PSP because it has MP3 and movie playback, PCEngine!! It's a bonus, end of story.

 

[PC-Engine]

We're talking about the majority of people who are buying a PSP and what they're buying it for. The notion that people are buying it because it has MP3 and movie playback functionality is only true for a small group of people. In other words it only makes sense for a small group of people.

No one is saying that people are buying PSP because it has MP3 and movie playback, PCEngine!! It's a bonus, end of story.

People are buying it because it's a portable game player end of story. Ask anybody who has a flash MP3 player or iPod if they'll use this PSP for MP3 playback. Ask any person who travels and owns a nice portable DVD if they'll use PSP as a movie player.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

It just common sense to those who have common sense. All you need to do is answer the questions I brought up.

How many people need to watch movies, play games, listen to MP3s in the course of a single day???

Here's the answer, not many.

Not many?! I'mlistening to MP3's write now as I write this. Later I'll be playing a bit of FFX. Might catch a movie this evening.

Regards PSP desirability, this is how it appeals to me. I don't have an MP3 player. I don't have a portable DVD player. I don't have a portable handheld games machine. I don't have a GPS system.

I would like the MP3 player, games machine and GPS system. I don't care for watching films on a handheld. I wouldn't buy seperate items for these functions - they're not all that important, except maybe the MP3 player. If PSP didn't exist I would not buy a DS and a GPS device and an MP3 player. Because PSP does exist it offers these functions on one package that as a whole appeals to me. I wouldn't buy DS to play multiplayer games as a pure handheld games device isn't worth that much to me, but if I had one I'd player multiplayer outside in the sun. I wouldn't buy a GPS system (at $n hundred or whatever they are now. My friend's was £300) to go geochaching but if I happen to have GPS I'll use it for that.

What PSP offers to me is a device that enables all these functions on one package, a package that together appeals enough that, seperately, I wouldn't bother with. It's like my PC, which I use for creating music, 3D renderings, some games, wordprocessing etc. If I needed a seperate computer for each of those functions I wouldn't write music or do 3D rendering, but those options are available to me so I make use of them.

I know other people who feel the same. My friend likes the idea of using PSP's GPS for incar navigation, and gaming with it (multiplayer football!!!) and so forth. Would he buy a separate in-car navigation system? No, 'coz it's not essential. But as part of an overall package it's useful.

If PSP were JUST a games machine, I wouldn't bother with it. I'd get an MP3 and amuse myself with that. But a PSP with 512Mb MemStick will suit me fine for a lot of purposes as no other single device can, with the convenience of being relatively affordable and with some very high quality components (screen!)

 

[Shifty Geezer]

People are buying it because it's a portable game player end of story. Ask anybody who has a flash MP3 player or iPod if they'll use this PSP for MP3 playback. Ask any person who travels and owns a nice portable DVD if they'll use PSP as a movie player.

:? Do you not think anyone WITHOUT an iPod/MP3 player or WITHOUT a portable DVD player will use these features of PSP? I know of very few people with these specialist items.

 

[London Geezer]

People are buying it because it's a portable game player end of story. Ask anybody who has a flash MP3 player or iPod if they'll use this PSP for MP3 playback. Ask any person who travels and owns a nice portable DVD if they'll use PSP as a movie player.

I won't waste precious brain cycles to thnk about that, but in the end, if i went on a trip and had all those devices, i'd only take the PSP cause it allows me to do all those things without having to carry all 3 devices.
I'm talking about ME. And you should too. The people will do what the hell they like, you don't know, i don't know.

 

[one]

Ask any person who travels and owns a nice portable DVD if they'll use PSP as a movie player.

A nice portable DVD player can't play user-encoded mp4 movies... case closed

 

[Teasy]

There's a computer fair held every month near me. A friend went one month and said they had PSPs and DS's on import (in the UK). Next month I went with him to check them out.

Anecdotal evidence is worthless in proving an argument..

Again anyone who thinks that everyone would choose a PSP over a DS is totally fooling themselves to an amazing degree Its not all about shiny shine aesthetics you know. For a lot of people (people with some sense) functionality and fun are more important in a games device. Also one big thing that matters 99% of the time is price.

I would say it's a dead certainty 'which people will chose when comparing the two systems side by side in stores' - at least the majority. DS will appeal, especially to the many, many GB owners out there.

So your saying that DS will appeal to the massive majority of the handheld market then? (the hundred million+ GB owners out their)

 

[PC-Engine]

It just common sense to those who have common sense. All you need to do is answer the questions I brought up.

How many people need to watch movies, play games, listen to MP3s in the course of a single day???

Here's the answer, not many.

Not many?! I'mlistening to MP3's write now as I write this. Later I'll be playing a bit of FFX. Might catch a movie this evening.

Regards PSP desirability, this is how it appeals to me. I don't have an MP3 player. I don't have a portable DVD player. I don't have a portable handheld games machine. I don't have a GPS system.

I would like the MP3 player, games machine and GPS system. I don't care for watching films on a handheld. I wouldn't buy seperate items for these functions - they're not all that important, except maybe the MP3 player. If PSP didn't exist I would not buy a DS and a GPS device and an MP3 player. Because PSP does exist it offers these functions on one package that as a whole appeals to me. I wouldn't buy DS to play multiplayer games as a pure handheld games device isn't worth that much to me, but if I had one I'd player multiplayer outside in the sun. I wouldn't buy a GPS system (at $n hundred or whatever they are now. My friend's was £300) to go geochaching but if I happen to have GPS I'll use it for that.

What PSP offers to me is a device that enables all these functions on one package, a package that together appeals enough that, seperately, I wouldn't bother with. It's like my PC, which I use for creating music, 3D renderings, some games, wordprocessing etc. If I needed a seperate computer for each of those functions I wouldn't write music or do 3D rendering, but those options are available to me so I make use of them.

I know other people who feel the same. My friend likes the idea of using PSP's GPS for incar navigation, and gaming with it (multiplayer football!!!) and so forth. Would he buy a separate in-car navigation system? No, 'coz it's not essential. But as part of an overall package it's useful.

If PSP were JUST a games machine, I wouldn't bother with it. I'd get an MP3 and amuse myself with that. But a PSP with 512Mb MemStick will suit me fine for a lot of purposes as no other single device can, with the convenience of being relatively affordable and with some very high quality components (screen!)

On a single device? Who listens to MP3s, watch movies, and play games on a single device in the course of one day? And no doing it on a PC doesn't count.

Are you hearing what you're saying here? You're talking about buying a GPS addon, a 512MB MS addon, yadda yadda. At the end of the day you've spent over $500. You are aware that a 512MB flash player can be found for around $100 and can also be used as a flash drive right? How much is a 512MB MS DUO by itself?

Ask any person who travels and owns a nice portable DVD if they'll use PSP as a movie player.

A nice portable DVD player can't play user-encoded mp4 movies... case closed

A portable DVD player can play user encoded VCD-RWs and/or DVD-RWs, JPGs, MP3s etc.

 

[London Geezer]

On a single device? Who listens to MP3s, watch movies, and play games on a single device in the course of one day? And no a doing it on a PC doesn't count.

Well, PSP owners can (TM). Just because there is no device that allows you to do those things doesn't mean there is no market for it. Doesn't mean that people won't need it. Digging your own grave much?

There is no cure for HIV. Does it mean we don't need it?

 

[PC-Engine]

On a single device? Who listens to MP3s, watch movies, and play games on a single device in the course of one day? And no a doing it on a PC doesn't count.

Well, PSP owners can (TM). Just because there is no device that allows you to do those things doesn't mean there is no market for it. Doesn't mean that people won't need it. Digging your own grave much?

There is no cure for HIV. Does it mean we don't need it?

GBA had this ability a long time ago, but most people don't do it in the course of ONE day. Sorry but it looks like I'm digging YOUR grave.

 

[hey69]

yeah my mobile phone can too play games, play moviez and play mp3's but it is a bitch to use it that way.

the psp is very good in what it can.
the mp3 sound playback is very VERY nice
the movie playback is is very VERY nice!

you ever saw that screen?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Are you hearing what you're saying here? You're talking about buying a GPS addon, a 512MB MS addon, yadda yadda. At the end of the day you've spent over $500. You are aware that a 512MB flash player can be found for around $100 and can also be used as a flash drive right? How much is a 512MB MS DUO by itself?

It's still worth all that in one device, instead of maybe saving a few bucks and having to carry a rucksack full of gizmos around

 

[PC-Engine]

yeah my mobile phone can too play games, play moviez and play mp3's but it is a bitch to use it that way.

the psp is very good in what it can.
the mp3 sound playback is very VERY nice
the movie playback is is very VERY nice!

you ever saw that screen?

My portable DVD player has a 7" widescreen, and the picture is very VERY nice.

My portable flash MP3/OGG/WAV/WMA player is 1GB, is the size of a lighter which I can wear around my neck, has built-in FM radio, built-in voice recording, built-in clock, direct MP3/line in encoding, 5 band EQ, and can be used as a USB flash drive. The sound quality is very VERY nice.

Are you hearing what you're saying here? You're talking about buying a GPS addon, a 512MB MS addon, yadda yadda. At the end of the day you've spent over $500. You are aware that a 512MB flash player can be found for around $100 and can also be used as a flash drive right? How much is a 512MB MS DUO by itself?

It's still worth all that in one device, instead of maybe saving a few bucks and having to carry a rucksack full of gizmos around

Yeah maybe to you and two other people who absolutely NEED to listen to MP3s and play games on a single device in the course of ONE day while spending over $200 for a memory stick alone. I guess you have a difficult time carrying around a small pack of gum or tictacs too.

 

[London Geezer]

PCEngine, how many people have portable DVD players? Thanks.

How many people are mentally stable and willing to walk around with their portable DVD player and MP3 player and portable console so they can do all those things, should they feel the need to do either one of them? Thanks.

Mr Joe Average will buy a PSP and be able to play games, listen to music and watch movies. If he fells like listening to music, he'll pop his headphones on and BOOM, music's on. If he's travelling and wants to play a game or watch a movie, he'll be able to do that.
If he doesn't need to do those things, then he won't freaking buy it! U're basing your argument on "oh well but no one needs to do those things during one day!". Let the people decide, who the hell r u, George W Bush?!
U're basing your argument on "well, there is nothing like this available at the moment, it's because the people don't need it, they're happy with walking around with 7 different things in their pockets!".... I mean, come on, PC, will your anti-Sony bullshit ever end?
All your argument are moulded around your own agenda, and it's so frustrating to see every single thread going down like this it's not even funny anymore.

 

[PC-Engine]

How many people are mentally stable and willing to walk around with their portable DVD player and MP3 player and portable console so they can do all those things, should they feel the need to do either one of them?

You keep ignoring the point I've been hammering into your *cough* brain. In the course of ONE DAY????

People don't carry 7 separate devices in the course of ONE DAY because people hardly ever want to use 7 devices in ONE DAY. Only weirdos/losers/retards need to use 7 devices in ONE DAY.

"well, there is nothing like this available at the moment, it's because the people don't need it

You seem to be having difficulty remembering. Read the GBA post above.